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All Forum Posts by: Naphat S.

Naphat S. has started 3 posts and replied 13 times.

Thanks in advance for your advice on this.

We bought one turnkey property last year(been happy and finger crossed on that so far) and in the market to buy 1-2 more.

Often times, when we do my due-diligence for the given address from potential turnkey provider, we  came across other properties in the area for sales that is nicer or more reasonable or both. we understand our turnkey providers already put some markup on but it makes us feel that if we can partner with a good agent/broker who understand our needs as an investor so we can buy a good investment properties without sourcing through turnkey provider. We don't mind paying a bit more or getting a bit less cashflow but hope to get a good peace of mind. 

We could be totally wrong on this. What is you guys opinion on this?

We are also open to talk to agent/broker on this as well.

Thank you very much!

Post: Notes vs. Rental Properties ?

Naphat S.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 2

@Bob Malecki @Boyd McClean @Mike Hartzog 

Thanks much for your inputs. Mike summarize it very well there. I do not have much in my retirement account (401k also with current employer which I can't convert to self-directed). 

I still like the concept of Notes and want to get involve somehow.

Post: Notes vs. Rental Properties ?

Naphat S.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 2

I understand the basic concept of investing in note vs. rental properties - no headache with Tenent/Toilet etc while rental properties come with potential appreciation (house value, rent) and tax reduction. 

1. For Note investors out there (and I mean investor who buy and hold notes for passive income), Do you also own your PHYSICAL rental properties? How do you feel about the two?

2. Does it make sense to be in REI world with NOTES only?

Thank you so much

Post: Good sources of further education for note investor?

Naphat S.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 2

@Rob Cee  Thanks for asking this question !!! 

All - I understand that there are many positions you can put yourself into NOTES business.
But let say, if I am the "END" note investor and did not plan to broker/sell the note, or do anything with the note rather than getting sufficient passive income. 

How much I should learn and those courses are good with me too? 
I don't want to rush in to this without knowing but don't want to be "paralysis of analysis" either

Thanks much.

Naphat

Originally posted by @Ben Leybovich:

@Naphat S. My affinity for leverage is border-line legendary on BiggerPockets.  I am all about bridging equity into acquisition of additional revenue.  However, there is a right way and a wrong way to do this.

The notion of turn-key anything is the wrong thing on so many levels that I wouldn't know where to even begin.  (well, I would, but that's a blog post...)

Feel free to reach out :)

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Ben - I will really need to educate myself more on "bridging equity into acquisition of additional revenue" I don't really understand what it means. Could you please message me or clarify me a bit more. Noted that you are not a big fan of turnkey but what other options do I have if I want to invest in Real Estate away from my local market?...I am also interested in Multifamily. 

I will stalk your website tonight...LOL

Originally posted by @Jerry W.:

@Naphat S. , the only thing I can add is find out what your rate of appreciation is on your current property.  If it is going up in value 10% a year it makes more sense to hang onto it and take a loan against it.  Sometimes the high quality but low cash return properties have higher appreciation.  Check that out before deciding what route you want to go.

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Thanks Jerry!! and I never think about it from house appreciation angle. This make it more difficult aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! Thanks much!

Originally posted by @Paul S.:

@Naphat S. personally I like option 3 or 4 the best. If you try option 3 will a cash out be enough to purchase 2-3 outright? Will the rental income from all those properties be enough to cover the cost of the HELOC? Remember to figure in maintenance, as well as debt servicing and other associated costs. Also your interest rate will be slightly higher since this is not your primary residence. But if this works for you and you may have the possibility of taking out more HELOCs (or LOCs) then you can just rinse and repeat to build your portfolio.

Option 4 may work if you can get financing for the additional homes, some lenders may shy away from you if they see that you are using a LOC to fund your down-payment.

Good luck and be sure to keep us informed about your choice and how it all works out for you.

ps if anyone one out there thinks I am an idiot please let me know as I am looking at sucking equity out of a free and clear home to purchase another investment property.

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Thanks much Paul and thanks for giving me direct answer LOL. I am in favor of #3 too. It should be enough to buy 2-3 outright. Noted on Higher interest as non-primary. Do you think it's higher than 30 years non-primary mortgage?

Option 4 is little risky to my risk profile I think.

Originally posted by @Jeff S.:

@Naphat S. for me it depends on your overall finances. If your income is strong enough to borrow against your Walnut Creek house I'd keep it. What I am saying is can you make the payments if you borrow and then things go sideways on your new investments? If so I'd keep it. That area is probably a good hedge against inflation and would help you diversify if you load up on cheapies that cash flow. Not to speak of the tax bennies.

OTOH if you are concerned financially and you don't really like the house then sell. 

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Thanks for your thought Jeff. It's not easy as I thought it is LOL. I think any options have some pros and cons. Right now I have no diversity at all as far as real estate. All will have to rely on this one property. Missing one month in rent could mean big negative cashflow.

Originally posted by @Rodney Kuhl:

@Bill Exeter Did not know that about the 3 year window. Thanks for putting that out there!

I think any of the options you laid out are good. I'd say it depends on the market you are in and how far that money will go in those markets. Is your goal to get higher returns or increased cash flow? Higher returns would lead to leveraging several properties, whereas if you are just looking for more cash flow, buying properties with cash may work better. Just my 2 cents.

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Using leverage hasn't been my favorite thing to have (perhaps, I'm not that great of an investor) and that's why I paid off my house as soon as I can. I just want to get better cashflow with lower risk (3 properties must be better than 1). 

@Bill Exeter Thanks for you inside on 3 years window. When I really decide what to do, I will definitely have to understand more about 1031.

@James Wise Thank you for your comment. And that's why I asked for all of you experienced investors here. Beside the numbers, I want to be comfortable with the path I choose.