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All Forum Posts by: Ryan E.

Ryan E. has started 2 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Older duplexes needing major repairs - Is there a deal?

Ryan E.Posted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 0

@Mike Wood

Thank you for the input. I think your 30-40/sf renovation cost is pretty close due to the extent of the renovations needed because of the deferred maintenance. I am beginning to think that the better opportunity may lie in doing a conversion back to SFR for at least one (if not both) main units. I believe the SFR renovation costs would be closer to 100k for each of the 2 primary duplexes (about 50/sf, since each is 2000 sf). So total of 200k or so. A really good renovation could bring the ARV into the low 200's for each one as an SFR (250k is the max in this neighborhood for SFR).

Post: Older duplexes needing major repairs - Is there a deal?

Ryan E.Posted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 0

I'm hoping for suggestions on ANY possible way to make some money on a packaged multi-family deal I've just inspected (off-market, but broker involved). At this point I am leaning to walking away from it. The deal involves purchase of a total of 3 duplexes which are spread across 2 parcels (one parcel has 2 duplexes on it). These are 1920's SFR converted to duplexes many years ago. They are non-conforming but allowed to stay multi's if electric hasn't been cutoff 1 yr or more (2 duplexes still have electric, but the 3rd one I must verify). This is in metro Atlanta area in a very stable neighborhood, but surrounding areas are lower-income mostly. These buildings are all in bad shape (see below). Price not finalized yet, but looks like minimum that would be accepted is approx 85-95k (includes all parcels/buildings). I doubt any lender (other than maybe hard $) would finance this purchase. I do have access to some cash funding, but would NOT want to tie it up for very long if used.

Target Property for Deal:

First note all duplex buildings have newer roofs, but there are still some leaks/damages on parts of roofs.  All units have either no HVAC or only partially functioning old furnaces & H20 heaters (no AC at all).  Huge trees growing over roofs.  All units need major floor/subfloor repairs in most areas (from water damage and shoddy work done in past).  Kitchens & Baths are all very old and some only partially functioning.  Mostly galvanized plumbing (lots of rust).  Almost no interior/exterior/system updates on any buildings through the years.  Safe to say MANY code violations throughout all units.  Oh, and did I mention that thrown in for good measure is a "Pacific Heights" type tenant that owner is afraid to evict.

Duplex A:  700sf, 1/1 + 1/1.  Units share electric (1 subpanel), gas, water (and the water is also shared with Duplex B as well).  Very old/rough inside & out.  Not liveable as-is.  Vacant and ugly inside & out.  Needs major exterior siding repairs as well.  

Duplex B: 2000sf, 1/1 + 2/1. Good curb appeal; Inside rough; Gas and electric metered separately; water shared with Duplex A.  Furnaces very old, but partially functioning.  1/2 Occupied.  

Duplex C: 2000sf, 1/1 + 2/1. Good curb appeal; Inside rough; Gas/electric/water all shared. 1/2 Occupied.

If you haven't called this a 'dead' deal yet, go ahead and keep reading below.

Neighborhood:

- Mostly similar-aged 1920's SFR and maybe half have been rehabbed over the past several years. Also has it's share of rental houses and a few converted multi's like this deal. Certainly not a war-zone, but is located in lower-income area overall. Neighborhood is safe and I'm very familiar with the area.

- The renovated SFR's attract younger couples or old/young singles who like living near the city but at a more affordable cost. The 3/2 SFR's of similar size to these duplexes have approx 160-190k ARV, on average, depending on level of renovation.

- Similar non-conforming multi's in the area sell for a low of about $20's/sf if rough condition or REO. You'll notice the price of 85-95k I noted lines up closely with the $20/sf price (4700 sf x 20 = $94,000). Those in decent shape sell mostly in the $40's/sf.

- Market rents for these types of multi units in decent shape are 450/mo for 1/1, and 550/mo for 2/1.  Little room to raise rents much higher, even if rehabbed well.

The renovation estimates for these buildings would be very large (well beyond anything I've done). Basically all new systems are needed. Heat & Air for 6 units; H20 heaters for 6 units; Separately meter off at least gas and electric for 4 of the units (which likely gets into expensive electric & plumbing code upgrades); Switch out the rusted galvanized piping (all the way to street) on all buildings. 6 kitchen and 6 bath upgrades. Major flooring & subflooring repairs. Tree trimming/removal and roof/skylight repairs. This has led me to believe that full or partial SFR conversion may be the only option due to level of repairs needed and low rents for area. Tear out everything inside and start over -- also pricey, since it adds new framing/drywall/pier supports as well.

 Note that I would not personally want to hold these as rentals as-is.  The living conditions could certainly be labeled as 'slumlord' currently which I will not do.  I also prefer not to keep low-end rental anyways (too much tenant hassle).  One current tenant is OK, the other is non-paying and extremely unstable/dangerous.  

Does anybody see a deal here in any way/shape/form or at any price level?  Thanks in advance to anyone who may have input.

Post: Business Structure for holding/managing properties

Ryan E.Posted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 0

Wow, thanks for the great replies everyone.  I appreciate all your input on this topic.

@Steven Glasgow I did not know about being able to tie a DBA to multiple entities (self & LLC's). I like your suggestion. I will also check into the RentPayment.com option, as I would like to offer an electronic payment option at some point.

@Stan Butler Good point about the EIN not being needed. That saves me an additional step. Glad you brought that up. The only reason I was going to setup a separate account for Security Deposits is that I've been told by a couple of landlords that once you start doing business in an LLC/Corp in GA, that the "10 property" rule no longer applies and a separate account is required even if you have fewer than 10 properties. I can't verify that for sure, but the folks that gave that info to me included a long-time landlord, as well as a CPA/Landlord.

@Ryan Harthan I've seen several posts about the series LLC's before and I have to say that they do sound very convenient and logical to use. I didn't know they were available in Georgia though, but if you don't mind letting me know your Atlanta contact for more info on that, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks again everyone.  You've all given me a lot to think about for both now and in the near term as I begin to hold more properties.

Post: Business Structure for holding/managing properties

Ryan E.Posted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 0

In the past I've held properties in my name and received rents in my name at a generic mailbox and never had a problem.  Also, I have umbrella policy that covers additional liability exposure for my properties.  Now I would like to add a level of privacy and would like to know how other landlords have set this up and if I am missing anything in my plan below.  This is only for a few rental properties and is in the state of Georgia.  My over-riding goals are to keep this simple (no complex entity structuring, tax strategies, or additional tax returns for now).  I want to remain being taxed personally for now.

1.  Continue to hold title personally (until later when I have a larger portfolio).

2. Create a new LLC that would essentially act as my "real estate business" company for all of my rental properties, meaning I would collect rents in this company name and write checks for repairs AND capital improvements for these properties. It would be formed as a single member LLC (pass-through entity). Not sure if I should elect to be member-managed or manager-managed or if that makes any difference since I am only member.

3. File for EIN fo the LLC from IRS and use that to setup 2 separate bank accounts. One to deposit the rent checks and to write checks from for expenses (repairs, capital expenditures, utilities). The other account would be just for holding all of the security deposits from the rentals (like an escrow account). I would make loans from my personal account to this new business account to fund it as needed (not sure how formal that needs to be though). And occasionally I will pay myself personally from that account some amount (not sure how much or how often).

When filing for the LLC I would use my 'generic mailbox' as the LLC address and will find an attorney to be my Registered Agent. I was thinking of filing the articles of organization myself, as well as the operating agreement, though I could ask the attorney what he charges to do that. I want to set this up in time for my next rental coming on the market (ready in a few days), so would like to do this all asap. This company would be the "face" of my business to my tenants.

Does anyone see holes in this plan (other than the obvious not holding title in LLC's, but I can deal with that later when I get more properties). Note I would not use this new company for flip properties. I would setup a separate LLC for that.

Thanks in advance for any opinions or suggestions.

Ryan