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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Thoma

Ryan Thoma has started 1 posts and replied 12 times.

Hey, do you guys still do these events. Would love to attend, if so. Lmk - thanks.

Post: Dscr Loan New Construction

Ryan ThomaPosted
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Quote from @Robert Ellis:
Quote from @Robin Simon:
Quote from @Mitchell Krotz:

Looking into DSCR loans for a new build that I wish to make an Airbnb.

Besides looking at what Airbnb comps are pulling in, backup would be what long terms are pulling in and average selling cost of what the home will be when finished.. anything else I should be plopping at? Anyone with some background in this? Perhaps thinking of a  modular style home to get it up and running quickly. Any thoughts?! First time looking into this so any references our resources will be appreciated. 


DSCR Loans only available when property is fully finished and turnkey, however you might want to look into a lender that offers ground-up construction loans and DSCR.

Also - be careful around the modular home / quick property types since these mortgage loans typically have to be secured by foundational real estate, so anything that can be moved or not fully foundational is probably a no-go (can't foreclose/protect the investment as a lender)


there are ground up dscr loans for ground up with 10% down for SFR. there were 3 at BP con I probably still have the flyers.


Open to share? I own some land outright I'm looking to build on and convert to DSCR as a STR.

AJ, any input on the daily rates in AirDNA? I'm performing an analysis right now and gathering data on top-performing properties I admire in the area. One issue... The daily rates AirDNA posts are different from what's on Airbnb/Vrbo.

For example, my neighbor's listing. AirDNA claims they have a daily rate of around $555. However, on Vrbo or Airbnb the property is listed at around $245 per night. Have you run into that discrepancy? Am I missing something?

Quote from @Robert Ellis:
Quote from @Ryan Thoma:

Hi, per the title, I have 5 acres of land in VT outright under an LLC. I am looking to build a SFR for short-term rental, would be my first-time new build.

I have engineer plans for well and wastewater stamped by the state of VT for up to 4 bedrooms. I'm now courting builders for plans and estimates, narrowing down to few I've shortlisted. Which leads to the funding...

I've used hard money for flips but this is too rural for their underwriting guidelines. I'm also having fits with traditional banks because the loan would be considered commercial. My financial advisor is boutique and is connecting me to private lenders which sounds promising but who knows their appetite. I can muster my own capital + leverage but it would not be quite enough I think (and my wife might kill me).

My instinct is to raise capital hell-or-high-water and refi later upon completion with a DSCR. Is there an option or strategy I'm missing for the first leg of this? Any input appreciated - thank you.


 how much was your water and engineering cost? normally from what I've seen on a national entitlement and an institutional level most people avoid deals that don't have public utilities and I'd recommend the same if it isn't too late. I did demolition for a single family home builder who used to do septic and well and they said they were transitioning everything to public utilities only and we tore down 3 homes they built 15 years ago that were on a ground lease. that was in columbus ohio but I couldn't believe it. your property values will be lower than traditional 


Around $11k for the well from trusted local driller. Collected multiple bids for excavation and the one we were most impressed by was about $44k. Plumbing all that to the house is a couple grand more before rough-in.

My property is in a very rural area right next to a popular ski resort plus it is elevated on a ridgeline. Hooking up to public water/sewer is not an option. This is the norm for most of the Green Mountains region. 

Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

There are lenders who offer construction loans for investment properties for exactly the scenario you're describing. They're a little more expensive than traditional construction financing, but not much. The biggest sticking point I see with those kinds of lenders is that they generally require experience - if you haven't done something like this before, then they will want someone who has to sign the note. 

I know of a lender on the east coast who specializes in funding investment construction like this. Reach out to Vincent Demarco at I Fund Cities. Shoot me a DM if interested and I'll connect you with him - I'm not putting his mobile on here. I'm not a broker and am not paid on this - it's just a connection/referral.


Following up via DM momentarily. Thank you. 

Quote from @Joseph Chiofalo:

Hi Ryan, 

How much would you need to borrow on the construction?


 I'll have more of an idea on that early next week, meeting potential builders on site this weekend. Thanks for getting in touch, will follow up.

Hi, per the title, I have 5 acres of land in VT outright under an LLC. I am looking to build a SFR for short-term rental, would be my first-time new build.

I have engineer plans for well and wastewater stamped by the state of VT for up to 4 bedrooms. I'm now courting builders for plans and estimates, narrowing down to few I've shortlisted. Which leads to the funding...

I've used hard money for flips but this is too rural for their underwriting guidelines. I'm also having fits with traditional banks because the loan would be considered commercial. My financial advisor is boutique and is connecting me to private lenders which sounds promising but who knows their appetite. I can muster my own capital + leverage but it would not be quite enough I think (and my wife might kill me).

My instinct is to raise capital hell-or-high-water and refi later upon completion with a DSCR. Is there an option or strategy I'm missing for the first leg of this? Any input appreciated - thank you.

I own land in rural New England that will feature two off-grid geodesic domes. May include generator and definitely a portable water jug. I stayed on a few of my competitors' properties and the water jug came in clutch. I also saw what they were making by finding the listings on AirDNA and it was impressive, more than I'd hypothesized. However, I'd like to eventually collateralize the cashflow to really make the property a more luxurious experience with saunas, etc but for now that's the plan.


Good luck.

Quote from @Carolyn Fuller:

I know I live in a very unique MTR environment with more universities within walking distance of all of my properties than anyone else on this continent, but I do want to add to the list of potential tenants, visiting scholars.

If your property is near a university or college, visiting scholars are also potential tenants for fully furnished MTRs.


Amen! I live near Longwood and my wife used to be a nurse at BWH. In 2-3 years my wife wants us to move to TX so I'm just going to MTR my primary here in Boston to traveling nurses.

Data has so far been steady in the corner of New England I'm in but then again this area was a popular vacation destination before STRs even existed so maybe flawed. In any case, the rates took time to sink in it appears and I'm not surprised to see a cooling. Personally, I expected it to be more drastic.