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All Forum Posts by: Ryan McKay

Ryan McKay has started 5 posts and replied 29 times.

Post: The Next Deal...

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Jeremy H.:

Good call on the self-management. I think that is the key w/ STRs. Even the STR guru here on BP "Short term rental, long term wealth" - they all but rely on self-managing. Management fees are steep, you're competing w/ bigger operators as well as mom & pop places - it's hard to get the personalized care needed, in my opinion, to be successful.

I'm a little confused on the initial financing...

So you put 75k down on a 230k house - so 32.6%. Why is this? What was the need for a HELOC? Could you not put a lower amount down? Your loan amount would then be 155k - at what 6% or so? What is this, about a monthly payment of $800? What was the cost to furnish? How much was the HELOC for?

It looks to me the cost of management was a key as well. What was Evolve charging you? 20% of gross? 

Reason, why I'm asking - it seems like you have extra cash. I personally don't like a HELOC unless it's for short term costs that will have an easy exit strategy - ie: a BRRRR - use a HELOC for the rehab, then refinance and pay off the HELOC. What is the exit strategy out of the HELOC here? Pay off using monthly cashflow? While being 100% leveraged? I don't like it

I have to be honest - I think part of the reason you're cashflowing is the low interest rate and relatively high downpayment. Now I'm not saying this is a bad thing - but it's something to consider. 

I would also question how the house gained 55k in equity, or ~24% in 2 years when interest rates rose and demand fell. Not saying it didn't, but that is quite the gain. Did you buy at a discount or somehow force equity? Maybe a really good location?

That being said, I'm a fan of the buying distressed, forcing equity and either selling or refinancing. If it was me, I'd just go conventional or use a vacation home type loan w/ a lower downpayment. 

 Great questions all around! In terms of the down payment, that 75,000 includes all of the additional fees and associated costs and such as well. I think it was technically closer to 72 and some change when it was all said and done. 

of terms of the appreciation, honestly a lot of it was timing. The area has appreciated very well over the past couple of years and we bought cheaper than we probably should have been able to, again through timing and where the builder was at on things- some of their other projects that were like ours in the same neighborhood were purchased a month later for $25,000 more than what we paid. Newer builder... Chalk it up somewhat to their inexperience!

Post: The Next Deal...

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12
Quote from @John Mason:

@Ryan I think that it is an underrated way to scale but if you have the LLC and buyout strategy clear , it is a good path..

I'll have to put a bit more thought into this in 2025- thanks John!

Post: The Next Deal...

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12
Quote from @John Underwood:
Quote from @Ryan McKay:
Quote from @John Underwood:

...We just bought a property with 5k down and owner financing the rest at zero percent. You don't know if you don't ask.

Great point! If you don't mind my asking, how did you find the deal to begin with, and did you have some hint that owner financing might be on the table from the get-go?


 Direct marketing.  No clue, just asked.


 My "day job" is in digital marketing (corporate, not "influencer"), so that tends to be my sandbox ;-) 

Thanks John!

Post: The Next Deal...

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12
Quote from @John Mason:

@Ryan McKay what are your thoughts on having an equity partnership to scale up quickly? 


 Great question! Always open to conversations with like-minded folks, but nothing I have specifically sought out intentionally... yet! ;-)

Post: The Next Deal...

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

I know you said not using HELOC on personal property, but there are banks who do HELOC on investment properties. TD here in FL does up 90% on up to 4 investment properties.


All too true! In this case though, it makes it very tough to keep the current property cash flowing if I pull the money out through the HELOC though (while it's not directly added to the mortgage, it all still washes out into much larger monthly payments) though, so I am very leary!

Post: The Next Deal...

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12
Quote from @John Underwood:

...We just bought a property with 5k down and owner financing the rest at zero percent. You don't know if you don't ask.

Great point! If you don't mind my asking, how did you find the deal to begin with, and did you have some hint that owner financing might be on the table from the get-go?

Post: The Next Deal...

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12

Hey folks, happy ho ho to you all!

Question...I'm now two years into my first STR - a cabin in Murphy NC that is doing fairly well for me. It took a year of painful lessons (the first of which is that NOBODY will care about your business as much as you do (Evolve), and that - in my case at least- self managing makes more sense -even remotely- than allowing someone else who has different motivations to take the reigns.

After a rough first year where I lost money for 8 months followed by another 4 months of learning how to self manage remotely, I had a great 13th-25th months where we have kept the placed booked, kept it profitable, and largely reinvested into the property.

Here is the question though- to buy the first property, my wife and I used a HELOC on our primary and used that for the downpayment on a new property, for the furniture, appliances, etc, and all of the other little costs that go into getting going. We've since paid off the HELOC, but realistically it wouldn't be smart to rinse-repeat these days as the borrowing market is obviously MUCH different than it was in early 2022 when we started down this road to begin with. Now that we are looking into the next property, we are trying to figure out the best way to handle the financing of it.

We don't want to do the HELOC again - it worked the first time, but things have changed and - realistically- we were pretty fortunate that it worked as well as it did the first time.

The cabin is was purchased at $230K and it's probably worth around $285K now. We put $75K down to begin with and likely have $85-100K in equity ( depending on what non-scientific source you check since I haven't had a full appraisal done) on it. I am profitable right now (cash flowing between $1200 and $2500 per month depending on the season), but don't have any desire to raise my monthly payment with a cash-out refi (nor am I likely to match my current rate). I have some money put away but I am trying to avoid 20% down on the next property.

Any recommendations on how to best finance property #2 with these pieces already being in place? I'm looking for another STF property that doesn't need to be rehabbed (which makes wholesale properties, BRRRR properties, and a lot of "Creative Finance" properties POSSIBLE but certainly less likely to work cleanly).

I know - a lot of caveats lol! 

My goal is NOT to grow as large and as quick as possible, but rather to grow slowly and deliberately - The Small But Mighty Investor is kinda the roadmap!

Post: Newbie - Seller Financing questions

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12

Curious as to how Realtors fit into the process of purchasing via Seller Financing as well (though I'm not looking at a deal at the moment- call it "Morbid Curiosity" for the time being ;-)

Post: STR upcharge opportunities?

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Ben Scarborough:
Quote from @Ryan McKay:

Hey folks!

anyone have any fun/clever ideas on great ways to add additional revenue opportunities by offering onsite upcharge options to guests? 

i know a few people who partner with local chefs or massage specialists, but curious if anyone has offered with a company who helps to facilitate these types of things, OR, if anyone has put their own menu of additions together with success?


Hey Ryan!

We recently added bike rentals to our beach property using a new software called Mount and it may be an idea worth looking into... If you haven't heard of it yet, Mount is an upsell software that gives you the capability to rent out amenities at your property, such as bikes, paddle boards, kayaks, etc... When you sign up with Mount, they cover you under a pretty good insurance policy that is based around amenities. Next steps are Mount shipping you a label/sticker with a QR code on it, slap that QR code onto your amenity, and then you marketing it to your guests for hourly/daily rentals.

Feel free to reach out, happy to discuss more!

-Ben Scarborough

 I'll definitely check out Mount - thanks @Ben Scarborough!

Post: STR upcharge opportunities?

Ryan McKayPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, Fl
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 12

Thanks for the information folks and for the insight! @Michael Baum - GREAT reminder of the potential pitfalls.