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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Jones

Ryan Jones has started 8 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: Wholesaling and the equitable interest theory

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17

What if you create an LLC for the property that you get a contract on, then technically are selling the LLC which has interest in the property due to the contract, and market the LLC?

Post: Wholesale contracts in Colorado

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17

Hey Dustin, I'm also in the Springs. Do you recommend using a real estate attorney for closings or a title company? Are you just assigning or double closing? What are your thoughts on legality such as marketing the property before you own it without having a RE license? But I guess some say we just market the "contract." Another idea I had is to create an LLC for each property and then get the contract under the LLC, and then sell the LLC - I wonder if flippers would be into that or not.

Curious how much you're paying for closing fees?  Thanks man!

Post: Can I quit my job and grow $200k that I have full time?

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17

I will soon have a $100k downpayment going into new primary home which will still leave me with $200k cash that I can use as capital.  How would you invest?  Do I still need a normal w-2 job  or can I live and grow exponentially from $200k?  Would you do flips?  I'd rather take $200k and grow some type of business in real estate than working a normal w-2 job.

Post: $300k cash, questions about HELOC multi-family buying process

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17

My wife & I have $300k cash and are buying a $500k new construction primary home for ourselves set to be completed in November. I had planned on doing a $300k downpayment for it, getting a mortgage for $200k, and then opening a HELOC (let's say it's $225k allotted) to buy a cash-flowing multiplex. Let's hypothetically say purchase a multi-unit (over 4 units) at $700k purchase price with 25% downpayment and some room for cosmetic repairs and closing costs. (At that rate, should I create an LLC and loan the HELOC to it, and then get a commercial mortgage loan through the LLC)? I have also read about buying lower priced $50k properties all cash but that seems to lose the value of leverage and thus give smaller cash flows.

I've been reading a lot about HELOCs and from advice I'm reading, I gather to really only use a HELOC as a quick temporary purchase vehicle since technically the lender could call the balance due at anytime. But if I buy a multi-unit property that isn't a fixer upper whereby the ARV wouldn't be much higher than the purchase price, refinancing to a mortgage on it WOULDN'T be able to pay my HELOC back all the way. Are people only using HELOCS whereby you plan on definitely having a higher property value after purchase (meaning you can only buy fixer uppers)?

In my financial situation, can I quit w-2 income and do something pretty strong with $300k to invest full time to grow and grow?   Basically - what would you do in my situation?

Post: Heloc on Heloc on Heloc forever?

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by @Michael M.:

I am putting down 25% and the house will appraise for more than I bought it for,

Why will it appraise much more than you bought it for?  Are you just getting great deals to prepare to rehab then rent?

Great concept though; can you share your numbers on an example?

Post: Lend personal HELOC money to personally-owned LLC?

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17

Following as I am interested as well.  You laid out what I was thinking.  I understand it the way you to do until told otherwise.

Post: Heloc to pay off mortgage faster

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17

This is comedy gold.  

"but when someone says they are happy to pay $42/month to keep their money working for them full time and maintain liquidity while saving a bunch of money people are just dumbfounded."

You say you don't want to line the pockets of the banksters via bank fees and interest yet you do by paying HELOC interest instead of just paying your extra income directly toward the mortgage principal. You can still have your HELOC and access it in an emergency if you need to, but by foregoing that on a normal basis and instead just putting all of your extra money to directly pay down the mortgage balance, you'll save $42/month. In an emergency, sure you could withdraw $10k all at once which will increase your balance by putting it on the HELOC side, but there's no reason to pay those monthly interest fees in advance.

Post: Heloc to pay off mortgage faster

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by @Gary Floring:

his TOTAL Interest Rate over the life of the loan is 67%. If that is the case, then the interest rate during the first few years of the primary mortgage must actually be well above 67%, since the P&I monthly payment is overwhelmingly interest, not principle. 

The total interest rate over the life of the loan is 67% assuming you stick to the standard fixed monthly payment each month, correct. Meanwhile, each year's interest payment is only on the remaining loan balance remains. If you start a fixed 30-year $200,000 loan balance at 5% interest that you owe the bank, you will pay 5% worth of interest every year whatever the loan balance is that year, so the first year would be $10,000 of interest (about $833 per month in interest). If you immediately pay off your $200,000 mortgage right away, according to what otherwise would have been the typical 30-year payment schedule, you will have saved $186,512 in interest - great job! Unfortunately, you just paid the $200,000 mortgage off with a 5.5% HELOC which typically only require interest payments (meaning technically you never have to pay off the balance); instead, you can just pay monthly interest payments of $916 in perpetuity. Of course, you wouldn't do that and you would want to pay off the actual balance since the interest rate is based on whatever the balance is.

I understand your mindset of jumping up the mortgage pay scale to have the fixed monthly payment go more toward principal. When you immediately pay off $10,000 toward principal of a 5% interest rate mortgage, every year you continue that mortgage - say the full 30 years assuming you made an initial extra payment of $10,000 the first month of the mortgage), you save 5% on that $10,000 ($500) each and every year because you no longer have to pay what would have been $500 interest on that $10,000 loan portion amount x 30 years. So everyone agrees that whatever extra you pay off toward the mortgage loan will save you that interest rate each and every year that you have left and continue to pay that mortgage down, just like if you paid off the entire $200k balance from the get go compared to the traditional 30-year amortization schedule. If you pay it all off and (transfer) it all to the HELOC, you still have the HELOC balance and whatever that HELOC interest payment is. When you pay just $10,000 of the mortgage loan off and (transfer) that $10,000 portion to the HELOC, you still have that HELOC balance and whatever that interest payment is. Yes, assuming you stay in the property and finish that 30-year mortgage all the way, you will have saved the interest on that $10,000 portion each and every year. If you keep it in the HELOC for 30-years, you'll still pay the interest on that portion each and every year anyways. But what you're saying you want to do is more quickly pay down the HELOC in ten months let's say - ok great, you'll save money because you won't be paying interest on that balance. But you could've just paid all of your extra money to the mortgage loan balance in the first place which is the same thing. But you want the benefit of being able to withdraw when you want which increases back the loan balance - ok fine - that will cost you not too much via a higher HELOC interest rate.

Post: Heloc to pay off mortgage faster

Ryan JonesPosted
  • Colorado Springs, CO
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 17

I've been reading this funny novel for entertainment value. The irony of this is that the guy opposed to paying interest on mortgage debt as if it's a bank scam is the sucker paying more interest by exchanging the low interest mortgage debt with higher interest HELOC debt. If you want to "skip" payments, simply pay off as much mortgage debt as possible which will leave the balance lower. With a lower balance, there is less interest to pay. Doing it the HELOC way is simply paying more interest in exchange for potential flexibility. However, you'd be better off always paying as much as possible directly to the mortgage loan balance. You can still have a HELOC and withdraw in an emergency which seems to be the benefit you want, but paying off much of the mortgage debt via a HELOC all of the time is pointless other than to fill the pockets of the bank, which you seem to be against.

DON'T WORRY I DIDN'T DO IT!