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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Ingram

Ryan Ingram has started 9 posts and replied 238 times.

Post: Best Specialty Insurance for Vacant Properties?

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

I'm sorry you're having difficulty with your insurance company; however, when it comes to real estate investors, not all insurance is created equal. 

For a structure that currently exists and you are rehabbing the property, I'd recommend getting a vacant policy that has a builder's risk endorsement. This covers the existing structure and the updates that are currently being completed. 

If it is a new construction build, I'd recommend getting a builder's risk policy. 

Both of these are easy to write and issue from the insurance companies side, it is just a matter of finding an insurance company that is appreciative of the real estate investing community. 

I have had a lot of success with Liberty Mutual on builders risk policies. 

For vacant policies that are also under construction, my favorite companies are (in no particular order) Tower Hill, Vacant Express, Hanover, Markel, and Berkshire Hathaway Homestate. 

When you are getting a vacant policy, the most important items that you make sure of are as follows: 

  • Is this an actual cash value or replacement cost policy? 
  • Is vandalism and malicious mischief covered? (Spray painting, breaking windows)
  • Is theft covered? (stealing copper, hvac, etc.)
  • What is the minimum earned premium? 

Post: Closed on a 5 property package in Indianapolis!

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

Great work, those look really good!

Post: My future just fell into my lap!!

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

@Saxxon Rybski

Absolutely, you’ve done and you are doing the right thing. Good work.

Post: Applicant runs a daycare?

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

@Joe P.

I’m an insurance agent, I wouldn’t be a huge fan of this set up in a multi family, however, I’d probably be completely ok with it if it was one of my tenants in a single family home.

People run daycares out of their home a good bit, I wouldn’t say this is uncommon. There are a lot of insurance options out there for this both on the admitted and non admitted markets.

If you go through with this, it is imperative that you make sure they have the appropriate business insurance AND you are listed as an additional insured (not additional interest, interested party, or anything else). This will allow you coverage under their policy in the event of a claim.

I’d also require that their insurance agent send you a certificate of liability insurance on a monthly basis. The last thing you want is for the insurance to accidentally lapse for nonpayment and not have any coverage....for either party. This is seemingly excessive, but you can’t be too careful :)

Post: My future just fell into my lap!!

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

@Saxxon Rybski, great job! I think you did an awesome job, especially for your first deal. Way to take a situation and be a phenomenal human by helping a lady in need and then consequentially monetize it on the real estate side. 

Receiving that much equity is truly a blessing and getting to continue paying down the principal and receiving the tax advantages and appreciation (if it happens great, if not so what) puts you in a great spot.

Later on, if you want to utilize a line of credit to utilize some of the equity to acquire more properties, you have that option available to you. But I wouldn’t consider that or recommend it until you’re comfortable and ready to tackle another deal.

I have a decent amount of single family homes and I also have multifamily properties. Both have their pros and cons, there isn’t a right or wrong. You can make just as much money in both, it just takes different strategies. It really comes down to personal preference.

Congrats again, great work and I look forward to hearing about more of you and your wife’s success! 

Post: 6 plex insurance premiums

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

Insurance is regulated at the state level, so each state has different averages. IL is more expensive than OH. 

Off hand, I know I insure a 3 unit in Chicago for $1700.

Let me know if I can help answer any questions, or if you just want to talk real estate.

Post: How do RCV and ACV insurance policies work in this situation?

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

Hey @Tyler D., great question and good work on diving deeper into the topic to try and figure out which option is best on the front end, rather than after a claim. It’s generally too late, then. I’d like to take a moment to explain your options in detail, in hopes to help. 

Replacement cost and actual cash value are loss settlement options on both the property and personal contents inside the building.

As you’ve already figured, replacement cost on the building is determined by a calculator that takes into consideration all of the materials needed and the labor to rebuild the building exactly as it stands. If you were to look at a detailed calculator, you’d see drywall, the level of quality of the kitchens and bathrooms, the floor coverings, type of roof, and even the types of mechanicals in the building. Replacement cost will also generally include debris removal, in the event of a total loss.

For older buildings, there is an option called functional replacement cost. Insurance companies generally like to put this on any property built prior to 1940. An example of this would be putting drywall back in, instead of plaster. The underlying promise in insurance is to restore your property to the exact condition prior to the loss. So, unless the policy specifically states otherwise, if you have plaster, the policy promises to rebuild the plaster.

Actual cash value is tricky wording. It has nothing to do with the actual cash value of the property as it pertains to how much was paid, or what it could sell for.

Actually cash value=replacement cost-depreciation.

The general rule of thumb for calculating depreciation is 1% per year (from the date of construction) up to 50% or 50 years.

For example, let’s say a kitchen fire occurred and it would cost 15k to repair the kitchen. 

The replacement cost policy would provide 15k less your deductible.

If the house is older than 50 years, the ACV policy would most likely provide $7,500 less the deductible for that same kitchen fire.

However, there are some good things to note. If the property has recently been completely rehabbed, the insurance company may use the rehab year to calculate the depreciation.

The tornados recently came through Dayton, so I have some good examples of this.

One of my client replaced a roof 3 years ago before the tornado rudely ripped it off. He had an ACV Policy.

The insurance company used 1.5% per year for 3 years to determine the depreciation. So, my client received the replacement cost of the roof less 4.5% for depreciation, less his deductible. 

All this to say, an ACV Policy May not be too terrible if the property was recently built or rehabbed. I have around 40 properties, I personally have some ACV policies and some RC policies.

The amount the property is insured for (Coverage A) has nothing to do with the loss settlement options (ACV or RC). Some companies are very flexible and allow you to place whatever number you’d like on the value of the property. I have several policies that I’ve written for clients that have a 50,000 Coverage A limit and are settled at replacement cost. Similarly, I also have ACV policies in force that have a 150k Coverage a limit. This is common on properties that are built in the 1800s. Insurance companies don’t like to provide replacement cost on such old buildings.

So, in the kitchen fire example, my client would receive the full 15k to fix the kitchen. If the damage on the building exceeds 50k the building will be a total loss and my client would receive the full 50k. 

However, I would caution you heavily on only asking for a coverage amount equal to what you’ve paid for the home. 

Let’s say a loss occurs that exceeds the amount the building is insured. The chances of the loss leaving a completely clean lot are slim to none. Since the tornado recently came through, I’m picturing tons of debris and random walls still standing where a home or commercial building used to be.

As investors, we are all good humans trying to help and improve our respective communities. We will not leave blight or partially erect buildings as eye sores for all to see. We will pay for the debris to be removed and the remaining structures to be demolished.

If you insure the property for exactly what you paid for it, in the event of a total loss, you will have to pay for the debris removal and demo. So, you’d actually lose money and not recover your initial investment. 

I highly recommend that my clients add around 25k to the amount of their investment. I didn’t use a formula or anything to come up with that figure, I just think that would be sufficient to demo and clean up the debris of about any 1-4 unit building. 

Let me know if this helps, or if you have any other questions or concerns. I’d be happy to help clarify any insurance issues...or simply talk real estate!

Also, here are the main coverages in a policy:

Coverage A- Dwelling or Home

Coverage B- Other structures (detached garages, sheds, fences, pools, patios, etc)

Coverage C- Personal property

Coverage D- Loss of Use/Loss of Rents

Coverage E- Liability

Coverage F- Medical Payments

Post: Landlord insurance recommendation

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

Great question-just like @Ric Ernst said, I am biased, but I think it is incredibly important to work with an independent insurance agent. They have the ability to access multiple companies and our loyalty falls with the client, not the company.

Post: Looking to buy my first SFH out of state in Cincinnati, OH

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

Germantown would have my vote, but that’s because I’m primarily only familiar with Montgomery County. All of my rentals are here in Montgomery County, and it is also where I live and work. 

There are several other great investors and resources on here to help with the Cincinnati market. @Phillip Weickert being one of them.

However, I’d highly suggest exploring the Dayton market before buying any of those properties. Depending on your strategy, your return will be a lot better here in Dayton. There are still a lot of deals out here that meet the 2% rule.

Post: Homeowners Insurance for Short Term Rentals

Ryan IngramPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 225

Hey @Laura Morgan! Congrats on the properties, it sounds like you have a great plan. There are a few different insurance companies that have really taken a liking to short term rentals. The easiest one that is in most states is Proper Insurance. Here is a link to their site: https://www.proper.insure/

I’d highly recommend reaching out to a few independent insurance agents (I’m a bit biased because I am one) and work with them. Independent agents have a lot of flexibility and latitude to work with many different companies to get you the best coverage at the best rates.