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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Casey

Ryan Casey has started 2 posts and replied 5 times.

Post: First-time House Hacker - many questions!

Ryan CaseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2

Hey Allison,

Thank you so much for the detailed feedback, that is a huge help!! My realtor is actually an investor as well with several rental properties, so I will run this by her and see if she can write up the initial lease as you had suggested. Thanks again.

Ryan

Post: First-time House Hacker - many questions!

Ryan CaseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2

Hey everyone!

So I am closing on my first property, which will be a house hack, on 9/13 and will be renting out to two buddies. I just had a few questions in regards to the lease agreement and some details related to this. Any and all input is appreciated - thanks in advance! Here are the questions:

- Given the anticipated close is on Thursday, 9/13, we had planned on starting the move-in process that weekend. Would you make 9/13 the official start date of the lease? Or would you put it as the following Monday or another date altogether?

- Also, I was leaning towards a standard residential 1-year lease. Is there any reason you would not do this or do a month-to-month lease instead? In the case of a 1-year lease, would the end date be exactly one year from the start date, or would you set it as the last day of that month a year from the start date to make the next cycle begin evenly on the 1st of the following month? (i.e. 8/31/19 or 9/30/19 end date, then 9/1/19 or 10/1/19 start date the following year). Long story short - what ideal start/end dates would you recommend?

- Given the two tenants are my close friends (I do trust that they will be responsible and pay rent, respect the property etc..), would you recommend still doing a security deposit? Or in the case of renting to close friends do you feel this is unnecessary? If a security deposit is still recommended, is there a standard amount or range I should request?

- Do you typically ask for first and/or last month's rent at the signing of the lease? Or any other particular payments up front?

- I have gone on the township's website of the neighborhood of the property and printed all of the required rental unit and landlord forms and paperwork. Are there any other specific forms, licenses, agreements or procedures I must complete or carry out prior to renting this property? The property is located in Palmyra, New Jersey (Burlington County) - are there any state-specific requirements that NJ landlords must meet as well? I understand there must be an inspection and will be having this carried out. Anything else though? 

- As a landlord, will I need any specific type of personal insurance for this? Or just standard homeowner's insurance?

Feel like I am overthinking and overcomplicating things, but just don't want to miss any small details! Thank you again in advance for taking the time to read this and give any input or information - I truly appreciate it!

-Ryan

Post: Rookie's first Single Family Home ... to house hack or not?!

Ryan CaseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2

Okay great - think I will go with that route and talk to a CPA. Thank you again!

Post: Rookie's first Single Family Home ... to house hack or not?!

Ryan CaseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2

Hey Briana,

That is a huge help, thanks for the input! Those all seem to be pro's in favor of having an official lease and reporting the income, so I am leaning towards that. Are there any con's to this that you think I should be aware of? 

Thanks again!

Post: Rookie's first Single Family Home ... to house hack or not?!

Ryan CaseyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2

Long post here, bear with me please!

Hey everyone! Here's the scenario:

So let's say I recently purchased a first home at $185,000. It is a 3 bed, 2 bath in very good (move-in ready) condition with a driveway, good sized front and backyards and in a nice, up-and-coming neighborhood, just across the street from a beautiful community park. The property value is expected to increase in coming years and the area seems steadily on the rise. It is a suburb in South Jersey along the Delaware River, about 5 miles outside Philadelphia with easy highway access and available public transit to the city. The home was purchased with an FHA loan at 3.5% down and a 5k seller's assist at closing. Monthly payment looks to be about $1500 (excluding only utilities). This is very doable for me given my current financial situation, however after two friends recently expressed interest in moving in, I was thinking of "house hacking" and renting two of the rooms to them to offset some the mortgage.

Originally the purpose of purchasing this house was NOT to use it as a rental or to produce significant cashflow. The primary purpose was originally to be closer to my part-time job, where I intend to begin building a business out of and going full time over the next few years. Also, I sought to obtain a property with a good chance of gaining some equity in the coming years. But after considering the interest of my two friends, I'm thinking that a house hack might be a good call. While the home will still technically produce negative cashflow, it would give me a very cheap monthly payment on a house that is steadily gaining value.

Now, over the next year, my goal is to purchase another SHF in the area as my first official "rental" property, with the intent of positive cashflow and passive monthly income. Given my current scenario with this recently purchased house, if you were going to rent out to the two friends to offset the cost of the mortgage - would you keep things simple and do this "under the table" without all of the legal paperwork, or would you do this "officially" with all the necessary paperwork and legal forms making me the official "landlord" renting out to two tenants.

The way I see it is this.. keeping things under the table would make things simple with my two friends and obviously require less paperwork. However, when I eventually go to acquire a loan for the rental property purchase in the next year or so, wouldn't the full mortgage payment on paper count against me (debt to income ratio..?)? This would reduce my net monthly income and make it harder to obtain a good loan. On the other hand, if I were to go through all the legal steps and fill out the required paperwork to make this first home a "rental property" and myself the landlord renting to my two friends, wouldn't this would give me more of an advantage when going to obtain a loan for the next rental property as my monthly expenses would show as less and monthly income as more?

I am brand new to all of this and fully acknowledge my rookie status and near-total ignorance. So what do you guys think is the right move to make here?? Any and all feedback as to what you think the best route to take in this scenario would be greatly appreciated! Again, the goal is now to minimize the cost of this first home, and to acquire another SFH rental in the area in the next year or so with positive cashflow. I want to maximize my flexibility in terms of financing options and my potential to obtain a loan for the investment property.

What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance, this rookie appreciates the feedback!

-Ryan