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All Forum Posts by: Ryan A.

Ryan A. has started 1 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Anthony Woods:

And convert your IRA to a self-directed one. This will allow you to you use those funds to invest in real estate structures offerings

I really would prefer not to touch my Roth 401k until I retire. Want to have two different forms of retirement when the time comes (Roth 401k and REI).

Post: Is it possible to only put down 10%

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8

Yes. Not sure what your w-2 job is, but there is such thing that is called a “physician mortgage”. It will also work with other high paying professions.

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Teresa Thomas:

@Ryan A.

You might want to think about getting in tax-free environments such as Roth IRAs and whole life insurance with cash value policies instead of tax-deferred 401ks. You are going to lose so much money when it comes to withdrawals in the future if you stick with 401ks. Next, yes- I would definitely use what is left to either house hack or save up to buy your first investment rental where you can then also take advantage of the tax codes.

My wife and I are currently maxing out both of our Roth 401k's, so the withdrawals will be tax free. 

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Thomas Greer:

Congrats on having a problem most would enjoy.  There are some great responses, but I will add my two cents:

There are some fundamentals of investing that are tried and true and you should adhere to.  Namely portfolio diversification, balance sheet and risk management.  Make sure you are diversified across asset types and return profiles.  Don't get overextended and know your ability and appetite for risk.

I think most financial decisions should be made on a financial basis.  Create a spreadsheet or use tools available online.  Plan out what you feel are realistic returns on your investment options.  Be honest (assuming everything is going to be a home run is not helpful) and realize there is no free lunch.  The likelihood of higher returns is directly correlated w/ increased risk.  You can increase returns through active strategies and expertise (as opposed to passive) but there is a trade-off w/ time and ability.  (In general) it is just as hard work to "make a killing" in real estate as stocks, as commodities as a bond trader as...  If anything, would argue direct equity real estate investing may have greater potential but w/ the trade-off of more "work".

Also, if you have the RE bug, you may want to whet your appetite with some of the many forms of RE investing - REITS, partnerships, passive equity, lend, crowd investing - outside of direct equity ownership.

All the best! 

Thank you for the tips. Really appreciate it. Seems like a lot of people in this thread like syndications, so I may try that at first. I've learned about myself while responding to these comments and I think my strength's are related to research/learning/evaluating and not necessarily rehabbing properties/hard labor/design.

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Matthew Terry:

I invest in Fundrise, but otherwise most syndication deals are only for accredited investors and I don't make the cut quite yet. You do since you make north of $300K with your wife. You can average 8-10% in cash paid monthly and then another 5-10% IRR after 5 or so years when the property sells. All you do is sit back and watch the checks roll in. The most time intensive part is doing the research and due diligence to pick a company with tons of experience and high success rate.

I'll take a look at this. The syndication route might be the route I end up going down. From my initial research it seems to provide most of the benefits I'm targeting in an investment option. How has your experience been with Fundrise? What should I know if I want to throw a small sum at a project on there just to get my feet wet and see how it the process works?

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Steve Kontos:

@Ryan A.

Purchasing a single family house to live in is a liability (at least until you pay the mortgage down and can leverage it to buy investment properties).  I highly recommend investing in multi-family properties that will generate you an added stream of income.  Spend the next several years building this foundation until you are at the point that at least SOME of your future mortgage payment on a house you live in is covered by your cash flowing investments.  We're not even talking about other ways you can use leverage to purchase as well.

Sorry this is a loaded topic but hopefully this was helpful.  Best of luck!

I've never thought about going the REI route before buying your primary residence. Is this what you did? At what point do you stop investing in homes that cash flow and buy your own?

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Jim K.:
Originally posted by @Ryan A.:
Originally posted by @Jaspreet Baveja:

@Ryan A. - I am in the East Bay (same city as you) and Kudos for your earnings, planning and goals! I would say REI is definitely something you should add to your portfolio! Now, whether you want to buy and hold in the Bay Area, Out of State (for actual cashflow), or house hack - totally up to you! However, if you want to be more passive in your approach, you should STRONGLY consider the Private Lending space. Especially if you are able to get a free consultation with a lawyer to review the documents, go through a reputable Title Company, vet the borrower and have fully drawn up document packages! This is what I do now and have had tremendous success over the past 2 to 3 years! There's also syndications (especially for an Accredited Investor) on CrowdStreet and such platforms as well. Let someone else do it with your money, and if you want to, jump into it yourself as well! Best of luck and feel free to reach out if you ever want to chat / meet (when the insanity ends)!

Hey neighbor! Private lending is interesting for sure. Never heard of it. Where did you start when getting into REI?

I found this property earlier today in Sacramento and got it to cash flow ~$800/month after all expenses and a 9% CoC return. Am I missing something on why people who live in the Bay Area are investing OOS so much?

If I were you I would sit down with my wife for a long talk, then move into the absolute cheapest one-bedroom apartment on a bus line that goes past your place of work that I could find. I would sell whatever I was driving and invest in a $5K Toyota or Honda gas-sipper as a family car and for your wife to drive to work. I would establish an initial annual budget of $30K above and beyond what I paid for rent and gas, with an aim of driving that down to $25K in two years.  All my money would go into broad-based index funds through every tax-advantaged savings vehicle I could utilize or create. I would spend five years in that apartment, and in that time learn everything I could about personal finance and real estate in a subspecialty that I found interesting.

Five years later I would reassess with at least a million dollars put away for retirement and how to spend my money wisely for the benefit of my family fully figured out.

But I'm not you. I honestly suspect you don't really know why you want to do this. I think you vaguely believe that having more money will help you live better, be happier, solve many of your problems, add value to your life. Of and by itself, money will not do that. That's the ugly surprise waiting for a lot of wannabe wealthy people out there.

The wife and I are already doing your recommendations to an extent: 1.) We have done apartment living for years and are honestly just kind of over it so we decided to move into the far-East Bay Area to get more bang for our buck. Also, in the Bay Area, finding a 1bd1ba apartment that is safe, near BART, and not a piece of junk is going to run you a minimum of ~$2,500/month 2.) we have two cars worth less than $10k that are fully owned by us). 3.) Annually, outside of rent and gas, we spend about $2k/month. 

We are currently in the process of saving for a downpayment on a home, so that will be our next biggest expense. I imagine this will take us about 2.5-3 years at the minimum. This is also assuming we want to pu 20% down on something worth $1M+.

Sure, to an extent, I believe money will solve/prevent some issues in the future should we face them (look at the world right now). However, the reason I'm considering real estate is that I enjoy spending time doing this stuff (I'm a numbers guy) and a good chunk of my other form of investing (401k's) won't be available until I'm 59.5, so I'd like to have some sort of cash flow before then outside of my W2 job.

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Joe Cassandra:
Originally posted by @Ryan A.:
Originally posted by @Jaspreet Baveja:

@Ryan A. - I am in the East Bay (same city as you) and Kudos for your earnings, planning and goals! I would say REI is definitely something you should add to your portfolio! Now, whether you want to buy and hold in the Bay Area, Out of State (for actual cashflow), or house hack - totally up to you! However, if you want to be more passive in your approach, you should STRONGLY consider the Private Lending space. Especially if you are able to get a free consultation with a lawyer to review the documents, go through a reputable Title Company, vet the borrower and have fully drawn up document packages! This is what I do now and have had tremendous success over the past 2 to 3 years! There's also syndications (especially for an Accredited Investor) on CrowdStreet and such platforms as well. Let someone else do it with your money, and if you want to, jump into it yourself as well! Best of luck and feel free to reach out if you ever want to chat / meet (when the insanity ends)!

Hey neighbor! Private lending is interesting for sure. Never heard of it. Where did you start when getting into REI?

I found this property earlier today in Sacramento and got it to cash flow ~$800/month after all expenses and a 9% CoC return. Am I missing something on why people who live in the Bay Area are investing OOS so much?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4319-Zephyr-Way-Sacramento-CA-95821/26043592_zpid/?

How do you get CF of $800...and 9%? 

Average rents in the area around $1,800 per month. House price is $489k.

Even if you dropped the $489,000 in cash, you'd get less than 2% COC.

You'd have to put a minimum of 15-25% down. Which could top 100k in cash to drop. 

Even then, your mortgage wouldn't cover the rent...

Here are my calculations. Maybe you missed that this is a duplex? In my calculation, I assumed I could rent both units ($1,725 x 2 units = $3,450). Let me know if I need to update my chart.

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Jaspreet Baveja:

@Ryan A. - I had a SFR rental in Walnut Creek, condo in Dublin and have since moved it all OOS. The sheer level of leverage a tenant holds in CA is insane to me. The durations and processes of handling bad situations also scare me. I've already had to pay my mortgage on a tenant occupied condo for 6 months before, with no income, as that's what the judge decided to award her as a "reasonable time to vacate" due to non-payment of rent, due to a single mother with 3 kids!

Anyways, I'm sure there's plenty of resources here around active investing, but I went to Notes (originating my own) as a form of passive income and I prefer this way more. I invest in syndications as well for passive income! Feel free to PM if you want to discuss those. Best of luck man.

Thats crazy regarding a "reasonable time to vacate". Do you generally invest in one location OOS and if so, where did you find reputable PM companies? Seems like there are a ton of PM companies waiting for more business.

Post: I want to get in RE but...

Ryan A.Posted
  • Walnut Creek, CA
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Jaspreet Baveja:

@Ryan A. - I am in the East Bay (same city as you) and Kudos for your earnings, planning and goals! I would say REI is definitely something you should add to your portfolio! Now, whether you want to buy and hold in the Bay Area, Out of State (for actual cashflow), or house hack - totally up to you! However, if you want to be more passive in your approach, you should STRONGLY consider the Private Lending space. Especially if you are able to get a free consultation with a lawyer to review the documents, go through a reputable Title Company, vet the borrower and have fully drawn up document packages! This is what I do now and have had tremendous success over the past 2 to 3 years! There's also syndications (especially for an Accredited Investor) on CrowdStreet and such platforms as well. Let someone else do it with your money, and if you want to, jump into it yourself as well! Best of luck and feel free to reach out if you ever want to chat / meet (when the insanity ends)!

Hey neighbor! Private lending is interesting for sure. Never heard of it. Where did you start when getting into REI?

I found this property earlier today in Sacramento and got it to cash flow ~$800/month after all expenses and a 9% CoC return. Am I missing something on why people who live in the Bay Area are investing OOS so much?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4319-Zephyr-Way-Sacramento-CA-95821/26043592_zpid/?