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All Forum Posts by: Stewart Olney

Stewart Olney has started 7 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: House hacking through Airbnb

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

My wife and I have been renting rooms through Airbnb for 3 and 1/2 years in a suburb just outside of Detroit. (Harper Woods and Saint Clair Shores) we are up to 11 rooms in three different houses. One of which we live in.

It all started with me going to Wayne State university in midtown Detroit, buying a house and renting my rooms through Craigslist. That didn't work well, and then I started using Airbnb. Airbnb made it very easy to maintain my listings, and the people who use Airbnb are generally much better guests. (We don't like to use the term tenants) 

There are some disadvantages to renting rooms short term in a house.

1. It a lot more work. You have to do many more turnovers and make sure the house stays clean. You are responsible for taking the trash out, and other maintence items that traditional long term tenants renting the whole house would do. If you have multiple houses that you do not live at, this quickly presents many scalability issues.

2. Taxes are a little more complex. According to our accountant, If your business focuses frequently renting to people for a few days, the IRS would consider it active self employment subject to self employment taxes. 

Post: Eastpointe MI rental market and area

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

Hi everyone,

I have a potential deal I am looking at in Eastpointe, does anyone have any experience there to say how the rental market is? Are the rents stable or rising? Is the neighborhood getting worse? Better?

I think we are also confusing frames of reference here:

@Account Closed's is:

Two investors who want to invest in a $100,000 house. Both have $100,000 to invest.

Invester A invests only $10,000 and keeps $90,000 in cash reserves ( @Account Closed am I correct, or is the reserves tied up in other investments?)

The important thing is, we are considering that there is $100,000 involved in this investment even though $90,000 of it is in cash reserves. In other words, we are looking at it in context of the investor's entire portfolio.

Invester B invests all $100,000.

Since both investors have the same amount of money tied up in the transaction and both loose $10,000, there is no difference in the risk, because @Account Closed is using a basis of $100,000 for both investors.

The rest are using $10,000 as the basis for investor A (Who may or may not have $90,000 in cash reserves or other investments. We are not considering this if he does.), so we are considering the leverage as a higher risk because investor A looses his entire basis. In this example we are looking at it in the context of only this investment.

The frames of reference are an entire portfolio (@Account Closed's method) and a single investment (The other method). Depending upon the frame of reference you are talking about, you come to different conclusions on the risk level of the leverage.

Just my two cents.

Post: My house hacking experience

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

@Brandon Turner, I had not seen that post yet! Thanks for sharing it with me. Congratulations on getting such a good deal. Hopefully there is one that good lurking around in my area somewhere. 

@Joseph M.It does not leave you much privacy to live with roommates, but it paying the bills is certainly worth it! That is the reason I am thinking about obtaining a multi family property next. I want to do the same thing, but give my soon to be growing family more privacy. Also, the Grosse Pointe housing foundation offers up to $350 per month to qualified students to rent in the area where there are lots of multi family properties. Gotta love subsidized renters!

Post: My house hacking experience

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

So @Brandon Turner has talked about house hacking sometimes, which is renting out bedrooms in your house or living in a 2-4 plex while renting out the other units. I realized that is what I had been doing when I first stumbled upon bigger pockets and read some of his posts. I didn't realize it until January of this year. I had been doing it of my own accord without any outside education in real estate.

First I will give you some background. In 2011 I got accepted to pharmacy school at Wayne State University, and needed to find some housing closer to school to avoid a 2 hour commute. I decided I would rather buy a house than rent an apartment. (rents ran 800/month in midtown Detroit near WSU's campus, probably more now. One of my classmates bought a condo near campus and did the house hacking thing too, but saw it appreciate from $70 K (2011) to $200 K today (2015), but that is a whole other story.)

I had originally thought I would buy a 3-plex to house hack with in Hamtramck (Traditionally a polish city surrounded on all sides by Detroit). I did not like the quality of the neighborhood, so I moved my search to the cities of Grosse Pointe, Harper Woods, and St. Clair Shores. All these cities border Detroit, but have maintained high quality neighborhoods. Grosse Pointe is the most affluent and desirable, with housing price to match. I settled on a 3/1 1100 sq ft bungalow in Harper Woods which got Grosse Pointe Schools (Very desirable school district).

In order to help pay my living expenses, I decided to rent out the spare bedrooms in my house. I rented them both for $450 each. In 4 years, I have been though several tenants. I originally advertised on craigslist, but have since started using Airbnb. Craigslist tenants tend to be longer term (several months), and airbnb tenants generally stay from 1 night up to 10 weeks. The reason I moved to airbnb is because you get higher quality tenants. They are mostly professionals and students coming into the area for an internship, rotation (medical students, PA students, other healthcare professions), moving to the area, or are here on buisness. Craigslist tenants tend to be lower income and have a propensity for not paying rent. (Probably because I didn't know how to screen well back then).

I have had to do two evictions, all because I made mistakes. One person I let move in after paying $250 with promises to pay the $675 security deposit and $250 rent balance the next month. Long story short, he never paid anything after that and I had to live with him in my house for two months while the eviction proceedings went on. The other person was a lawyer who never paid his rent on time, and eventually convinced me to use his security deposit to pay for a month of rent. Eventually, I had to evict him too.

Last year, I spent $300 to put up a wall in our basement, and made a new bedroom for my wife and me down there. We now rent out 3 bedrooms in our house and make ~$1200-1500 a month from them. Our expenses tend to be about that same amount if you account for mortgage, taxes, insurance, capex, maintenance,  internet, energy, and water bills.

Our future plans are to purchase a multi-unit property (while keeping our current house with the same arrangement), move into one of the units, and rent the rest of the units out by bedroom rather than unit. We believe we can squeeze more rent out that way, with the downside of requiring more intensive management.

Post: New to Real Estate Investing in Metro Detroit- Looking for colleages

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

Hi Elizabeth,

Glad to see you on BP! Your 1st order of business should be to connect with a local real estate investor group. It is very worth the effort to go to one. In fact, the on I attend regularly meets on Big Beaver Road near I-75. You can find their facebook page here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MetroDetroitRealEs...

its a closed group, so you will need to ask to join.

Post: $52,069 profit on my first "Firehouse"

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

Thats awesome! I'm sure you loved the whole process.

Post: Nuts and Bolts of First Deal?

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

This is what I get stuck on, and why I haven't gotten started making offers yet:

A large portion of real estate investing education about starting out that I have seen has been about what kind of REI to start in, (Eg. wholesaling, flipping, buy and hold etc.) or how to get started in your specific niche. (How to market for wholesaling, basics of land lording etc.) What I haven't seen is how you should prepare for your first deal. Should you have a LLC already set up? Put together a team first (realtor, lawyer, CPA, mortgage broker, etc.)? Have investors and partners lined up? Related - Is it a good idea to have investors/partners/funding lined up before you make your first offer? Should you have a business plan?

Or is it okay to go out, make a deal, and then figure out the rest as you go along?

I struggle because I want to go and make deals, but I can see so many risks if I don't have that foundation in place first. Yet, if I want to get started, I have to get out there an start making offers. Basically, am I better off focusing on building a foundation of a business through networking and planning before I start making offers and finally have that 1st deal?

Post: Are you active in Flint, MI?

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

@Scott K. 

I think you are right about that. I do want to experiment with a property or two in Detroit, but not until I have made some acquisitions elsewhere.

Post: Are you active in Flint, MI?

Stewart OlneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 9

@Jeff Rabinowitz 

Harper Woods does tend to have the nicest returns in my area for what you can get. Especially in the houses that get Grosse Pointe schools. Saint Clair Shores doesn't seem to be too bad either.

My wife saw some cheap houses on Zillow there, and I just wanted to find out if anyone knew the ins and outs of investing in Flint.