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All Forum Posts by: Ron Read

Ron Read has started 7 posts and replied 37 times.

Post: Why you can't really compete head-to-head with REITs

Ron ReadPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Bettina F.:

At least in the Seattle market, American Homes for Rent do not take good care of their landscaping.  Judging by the photos of available houses for rent, they do a good job of maintaining their interiors, but I would not want to live next door to their dead lawn rentals. 

I haven't driven one of these neighborhoods in summertime yet, but now you have me curious :)  In this part of the country, we don't get near the amount of rain in summer than Seattle gets, and watering the lawn gets super-expensive unless you put in a separate meter.  I'm guessing it would be on the renter to pay the water-bill, so it's unlikely anyone in a rental wants to pay an extra $250/mo in summer to keep their front yard green.

Post: Why you can't really compete head-to-head with REITs

Ron ReadPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Matt K.:

Any way to tell if these have been rented and just not updated ?

Good point, Matt. My assumption that all the properties listed are still available may be flawed. I also don't know how quick to list vacancies on MLS/Zillow they are, so actual inventory could be smaller or larger than what my quick search on Zillow shows. Probably the best way to determine actual inventory in these neighborhoods would be to actually contact all the companies which list properties in them, but I probably won't take that step unless I actually find a deal within one of them, in which case it might be a good part of due diligence.

Post: Why you can't really compete head-to-head with REITs

Ron ReadPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Josh Stack:

What do you think the long term play for these REITs are?  They quaint until demographics shift and people want to own homes again and sell them off slowly with large profits or buy and hold for long term?

They are no doubt managing these huge portfolios strictly on a spreadsheet basis and will have huge datasets in which they can spot trends or money sinks and drive out costs from their management profile. That’s something a small landlord can’t really hope to compete against. 

The real danger fOr these REITs is the refinance risk. I’f their bonds become due and the underlying assets can’t support the valuation they will be in trouble - same with he interest rate risk as you also point out. 

Have you done any analysis of their holdings west of Charlotte in Gaston county?

I've looked at properties in Gastonia and for the most part it doesn't yet seem as saturated, I think the one thing keeping REITs from saturating the market there is older homes and lower rental prices (except for a small pocket of REIT rentals in Willow Park, where property is newer and values are higher). Gastonia didn't really have the same housing explosion Charlotte did, so I wouldn't expect a lot of homes that fit their profile in there.

I agree it looks as though they manage these from a macro-level.  It's probably pure data-mining for them, which leads to their decisions on whether or not to buy in a particular neighborhood.

I'm not sure if there is a long-term play for these companies if/when interest rates rise to a point where the model is unsustainable.  

I'd be curious to learn if there are any BP members who work for one of these entities who could add more insight and/or validate or refute any of my conclusions.

Opening it may actually tell you whom it belonged to previously.  You may find a passport or marriage license or some other personal docs in there.

Post: Why you can't really compete head-to-head with REITs

Ron ReadPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 25

I've been doing a lot of analysis lately trying to find neighborhoods in my area (greater Charlotte, NC). I've been trying to find homes that are on the newer side so maintenance isn't a huge issue, and SFR buy and hold makes sense. I noticed a disturbing trend--rentals which are priced at a level I didn't believe to be profitable are staying on the market an extremely long period of time.

After a little digging, I found several neighborhoods which appear to be completely saturated with rental homes. It seems as though the acquisition teams for some SFR REITs are buying literally everything on the market in many newer neighborhoods in my town, then renovating and dumping them on the rental market. The problem? The vacancy rate in these neighborhoods is already too high, and there is no meat on the bone unless you are buying for a lot less than anyone else.

Given the example in the Zillow screenshot above, you can see that there is plenty of SFRs to rent in this neighborhood.  This picture is pretty indicative of a lot of newer areas of Charlotte.

Given my affinity for math and research, I decided to pull property sales and tax records on these 13 rentals, and sure enough—11 of them are owned by national REITs.

The average length of the listings is about 50 days. That works out to about a 15% vacancy rate—which takes the median monthly rent from an already weak $1540 to about $1310 expected revenue per home per month. Not quite worth the median $175k that these buyers paid for the properties from an individual investor perspective.

Let’s dive deeper and imagine you bought these 11 homes as an individual investor. We’ll make some other assumptions in order to keep this as close to an apples-to-apples comparison, too:

  • You don’t have to invest a dime of your own money
  • You paid the same amount the REITs did
  • Vacancy Rate stays static at 15%
  • You hire a property manager at 11%
  • Repairs and maintenance are a very reasonable 7%
  • Capex is about 8% since the homes are reasonably new
  • Your mortgage rate on a 30-year fixed is 4.138% (more on why I picked that number in a bit)
  • No PMI (no particular reason--I just like you)

The numbers should look roughly like this:

As you can see, you’re going to have to come up with a bit of cash each year, if you want to own them outright in 30 years.  As a matter of fact, only one of these properties actually cash-flows, and just barely.

So how do they manage it?  Pass-through bonds, and economies of scale.

Let’s look at the bonds first. Here’s an example of one instance where American Homes 4 Rent (AH4R) has issued about a half-billion dollars in bonds, at an average pass-through rate of 4.138% (there’s that number I used for our mortgage for comparison purposes). Like an interest-only bank loan, they pay only the interest until the debt comes due (in this case mostly in 2025, so they have 7 years left to hold bond-investor money).

Since the properties are bought outright with these funds, the REIT has a choice to make when payment comes due: issue new bond debt to pay off the old debt, or sell the property which has been collateralized against it. If rates are still low at bond maturity, they will likely do the former, but they can swap a certain percentage of properties within the portfolio during the term, as outlined in the terms of the debt—in these bonds about 10% of the properties can be replaced to balance the portfolio.

So, what about economies of scale? Instead of assuming maintenance people and property managers are charging you full rate, they have literally over 1000 properties in my city alone. That means staff instead of contractors, so let’s assume they pay a more reasonable 12% combined for Management and Maintenance than the 18% an individual investor might pay.

Okay, let’s see how these same properties work for them, assuming everything else is the same:

Essentially, they’ve created a $30k annual earned income on these 11 properties, which can be used to pay executive salaries, and passed on to shareholders as dividends—and they’ll earn another $300k in capital gains if nothing extraordinary happens--and remember, AH4R alone has over 50,000 homes in 22 states.

It sounds like a license to print money.

Risks do exist for these REITs, though. If interest rates rise, it may not make sense to refinance the existing debt, and they may have to flood the market with properties to repay. Since they have concentrated their purchases into pockets of major cities, it means it will be hard to command top dollar if you are selling 10 homes on the same block. If property values tank and interest rates rise simultaneously, they might not be able to sell assets for enough to repay bondholders when payment comes due. That’s a bad day for any publicly-traded company.

Another challenge they face already is self-cannibalization. Because acquisition agents are incentivized to keep acquiring property which fits their model, they often focus on the same areas—essentially turning entire neighborhoods into a rental complex. Then they are forced to compete with themselves when listing a new home on the rental market. If you list a brand-new home on the same street as a home which has been vacant 100+ days, there is a good chance fresh home will rent first, and the vacant unit will remain vacant. As a matter-of-fact, another hidden cost for these guys is that they often do the first-month-free deal to get a renter in, further eating into their bottom line.

So how do you compete with these guys? 

You don’t really. Not unless you can get someone to give you lengthy fixed 100% interest-only loans with zero-down at a great rate. 

Find another niche (older homes, BRRRR, multiunit, ugly homes, mobile units, condos). Find another neighborhood. Find another city. Newer SFR Rentals in newer subdivisions close to downtown is taken. At least it is in Charlotte, NC--by these guys.

Or buy right--Don’t pay market value if you see that a neighborhood is already saturated with rentals which have been on the market for 50+ days. The only way to guarantee you won’t have an empty home is to undercut them on price. The only way you can afford to really do that is if you found a screaming deal before they beat you to it.

Post: Checkbook IRA for first Buy and Hold?

Ron ReadPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 25

@George Blower from what I've seen, there arent a lot of options when it comes to Self-directed custodians.  Most custodians don't seem to truly encourage a hands-off checkbook solution, and charge fees for each transaction, as well as a holding fee, which seems exorbitant (at least by discount brokerage standards).  In juxtaposition to this, I currently pay less than $4 for equities transactions, and I have no annual fees.

@Brian Eastman I'm well aware of the potential pitfall of accidentally generating a taxable event, as I used to work in a stock brokerage as a principal, and had to have the same difficult conversation--often with someone who had taken too long to do a rollover. I had not contemplated, however, the benefits to the geographical limitations of an LLC. Because of my location, I was contemplating property in both NC & SC as well as potentially in GA or FL someday. Would it make sense to hold more than one LLC within the Roth, one for each state? I'm wondering if it is economically sensible to even try, and in your opinion, whether the legal protections offered would justify it.

I see that you are both industry professionals, and I've looked into one of your companies already, and have the webpage open for the other.  Perhaps you might enlighten me a little about how difficult the accounting and taxes are to manage, and what part of that, if any is done by your firms?  It seems to me that getting started might be the (relatively) easy part, compared to managing my books and doing my taxes.

Post: Checkbook IRA for first Buy and Hold?

Ron ReadPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 25

So after probably too much research, I'm looking to take a leap into some buy and hold or perhaps BRRR investing, but I'm short on savings, while long on IRA assets. Rather than wait any longer, I've decided to use my retirement savings to cut my teeth. (Thanks to the BP Podcasts for making me aware I could even do this).

I'm currently looking to move my Roth IRA account from a traditional discount stock brokerage to an SDIRA, and am most intrigued specifically by the notion of a Checkbook IRA (IRA LLC), since even though the initial fees are high, the ongoing/annual fees appear as though they are not.  My overall question to anyone who has done this, is what kind of tax and paperwork nightmare am I in for?

Based on my research, here are my assumptions about the Checkbook IRA (please let me know if I got any of this wrong):

  • I'll need to set up an LLC in my state, and the IRA will be responsible for paying the filing and annual franchise fees
  • I'll want to structure the LLC as single-member LLC, so I can pass-through any passive income to the IRA directly
  • If I borrow money within the LLC, or start flipping homes, some income will be taxable, but I'll be able to use deductions just like a normal LLC or individual filer
  • I'll need to put the LLC into a Roth IRA so I can direct-transfer cash from old brokerage in-kind
  • Once I have the LLC created, I'll need to open a bank-account in the name of the LLC
  • I'll need to keep immaculate books

Here are my questions:

  1. Do I need to use the services of an SDIRA firm to set up my LLC? It seems pretty easy, and I don't want to throw money away.
  2. Do I actually need a custodian to adopt the LLC into the IRA, or is this another form I could potentially complete and file on my own behalf, since I will be my own de-facto custodian?
  3. How do I convince my existing discount brokerage that a check or wire issued to my LLC is not a distribution, but in fact a transfer? The registration on the account will be completely different? (Or is this where I need an SDIRA firm?)
  4. How hard will it be to find an accountant who understands this, and won't learn about it as he goes on my dime?  

(If anyone invests using a Checkbook IRA in South Carolina, I'd love the name of your accountant, and/or a guesstimate of what I'll pay them.)