Originally posted by @Tony H.:
@Rongsu Qi In the stock market you don't have evictions, unexpected repairs, unexpected bills, sleepless nights, ruined plans, etc. Like others have said, ultimately it is up to you for what you are looking for. If you are happy with the numbers then go for it. Personally, I am following this thread because I am looking for that magical formula to help me know when a deal is good also. But I know there are too many variables to have a set formula. But still hoping someone has it.
That's why we budget for maintenance and Capex reserves, as well as property management fee, right? If we don't budget for those, a 8-10% deal becomes 15-20% deal. In addition, the stock market has plenty of unexpected downturns and sleepless nights as a result too.
I'm following this thread and commenting because personally, I've invested in the stock market for quite a few years before finding RE. Part of the reason is that any cash flow is nearly impossible in the Bay Area, and I wasn't going to invest purely based on appreciation/speculation alone, like everyone else around me is doing. I thought I've found a far better investment in RE, but got really confused seeing people in this thread say they would rather go back to the stock market.
I don't think there's a magic formula for a good deal, you have to work with the market and just compare to what else you have available. Am I happy with what I'm getting? Well I definitely want higher returns, but this is the best we can do in terms of any type of investment at the moment, so we did. I would've done BRRRR or look for below market deals if I invested locally.
So what I want to say to @David Waddleton is, we don't live in 2012 anymore, so look at what you're getting in comparison to what you have available to invest in, be it the stock market or other rental properties. Just calculate the ROI in terms of cash down and time involved and compare. Personally I think we're coming to a bear market in the stock market and can't expect as good returns as we did in the past ten years. I see more stability in RE and of course other benefits like loan pay down and rent raise etc. I wouldn't put my money in the stock money if I can find a 8% deal after budgeting for maintenance, Capex and management fees. It's fine if you want higher cash on cash returns, you may just need to move to another market if possible, or be a lot more aggressive looking for under market deals.