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All Forum Posts by: Ron Burgundy

Ron Burgundy has started 6 posts and replied 18 times.

Anyone know a knowledgeable MFH agent and lender in/near Corpus Christi Texas? Thanks.

Post: Am I wrong to not consider SFH?

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3

What other documents will they request besides flood plain certificate, environmental phase 1 or compliance letter, survey, leases, inspection, appraisal and a zoning compliance letter? The survey, appraisal, inspection are also requested for conventional SFR loans if I remember correctly. The other ones shouldn't be too difficult to obtain I wouldn't think?

Not trying to be dismissive or anything, just need to figure out everything involved to see if this dream is obtainable or not. I've read and heard about a lot of folks who make great money doing this and started out with less than me.  Thank you  

Post: Am I wrong to not consider SFH?

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Jameson Sullivan:
lol wait you mean I can't just buy a million dollars worth of property and retire tomorrow? I'm leaving real estate!!!

 Ha ha I wish. 

No what I am trying to do is buy a small apt complex that needs rehabbed with LTV loan. Rehab, increase rents, and then cash out refi. Then use those funds to put down on a bigger complex, etc.

From what I'm reading a lot here, it looks like I would still have to work full time in order to qualify for financing/refi/etc. even if I have the rental income cash out?

Sorry guys I don't mean to sound frustrated. I'm just trying to get out of the 9 to 5 and do my own thing/work for myself. All help is definitely appreciated. Thank you.  

Post: Am I wrong to not consider SFH?

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3

Man this is depressing. If you need a job to lock up real estate investments, I might as well just keep working rest of my life instead. 

I thought that a lot of real estate investors were retired?

Post: Am I wrong to not consider SFH?

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Jeff B.:
Originally posted by @Ron Burgundy:
Originally posted by @Jeff B.:

I'm vested in MFU's and I'll give you my take.

  1. SFR & MFU appreciate differently
  2. expenses are comparable but the MFU has more doors hence more GSI & NOI

On (1), the SFR 'competes' via comps with others in the community of like configurations (2/1, 3/1, 3/2) and is dependent upon the community economy. The MFU is not evaluated with comps, but by the NOI it produces. Take an example of 10 units @ $1000 or a GSI of 10,000 * 12 months = 120k. Next year, raise the rents by $100. That's a GSI of 11,000 * 12 = 132k. Regardless of what the expenses are, that's a BIG change in value for zero effort. (it's called Forced Appreciation and only applicable to the MFU).

The hard part is getting the 75% LTV loan. I used an SFR to 1031 into my MFU, so that's a path *IF* you can buy in a rapidly appreciating SFR market. You need to hold it for at least two years as a rental to qualify for the 1031.

...

Some folks have told me that some lenders don't care what you're collecting in rent on MF, they will just continue to looks at MF comps, and you can't cash out anymore than what other similar properties are selling for (which would suck). 

 There's two kinds of MF's  the 2-4 and the 5+

The 2-4 are still evaluated using COMPS and are bought with a conventional loan - - your DTI, CR are all relevant. The 5+ are bought via a Commercial Loan and evaluated by the NOI.

 That is what I thought. Thanks for the reinforcement. 

So with that said, if I find the right deal on a 5+ apt complex and can work the deal with my liquid cash, a full time job should not be required to purchase and/or refinance, correct?

Post: Need some help buying apartment in Indiana

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3

Hello,

I am strongly considering purchasing a small 5-10 unit apartment complex in northern Indiana (most likely either Porter or Elkhart County). 

Can anyone recommend to me an experienced multifamily buyers agent, property mgmt, and RE attorney? 

I have not had any luck so far. Thank you. 

Post: Am I wrong to not consider SFH?

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Andrew Johnson:

Ron Burgundy Side note:

You stay classy, Houston...

 LOL that made my day. Thank you. 

Post: Am I wrong to not consider SFH?

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Jeff B.:

I'm vested in MFU's and I'll give you my take.

  1. SFR & MFU appreciate differently
  2. expenses are comparable but the MFU has more doors hence more GSI & NOI

On (1), the SFR 'competes' via comps with others in the community of like configurations (2/1, 3/1, 3/2) and is dependent upon the community economy. The MFU is not evaluated with comps, but by the NOI it produces. Take an example of 10 units @ $1000 or a GSI of 10,000 * 12 months = 120k. Next year, raise the rents by $100. That's a GSI of 11,000 * 12 = 132k. Regardless of what the expenses are, that's a BIG change in value for zero effort. (it's called Forced Appreciation and only applicable to the MFU).

The hard part is getting the 75% LTV loan. I used an SFR to 1031 into my MFU, so that's a path *IF* you can buy in a rapidly appreciating SFR market. You need to hold it for at least two years as a rental to qualify for the 1031.

That is exactly what I'm trying to do: Buy a cheap MF property that needs rehab, and raise the NOI, then cash out refi. Put that money down on the next one, and so on.

Some folks have told me that some lenders don't care what you're collecting in rent on MF, they will just continue to looks at MF comps, and you can't cash out anymore than what other similar properties are selling for (which would suck). 

Another reason I would prefer MF over SF is all the doors are in one location. 

I appreciate all the input so far. Thank you. 

Post: Am I wrong to not consider SFH?

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3

Brian,

Based on what I learned before, a property with 5+ units is basically considered a "business" and as long as the numbers work and you have the  cash on hand required by lender, then proof of income is not required. Is that incorrect? 

Post: Am I wrong to not consider SFH?

Ron BurgundyPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 3

It is my understanding that one must put down 20% on a conventional loan for investment/rent house. Is that not correct?