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All Forum Posts by: Rocky R.

Rocky R. has started 8 posts and replied 14 times.

(To clarify I am NOT talking about getting cheated or bad examples etc. I am talking about a good case where transaction was smooth, house rented without any issues etc)

Hi,

I notice that turnKey properties sell at a premium above the market rate! I looked at TurnKey in markets like PalmBay, Baltimore etc. 

1. A TurnKey provider shows a "positive cashflow" with a 225K property that rents for 1500 a month! Based on thumb rules like 1% rule, this is obviously not close. I started wondering how can one openly claim positive cash flow with 0.7% rule!

2. I noticed that few things were slightly upward revised.

       a. In a given area, when most houses in less than half a mile radius fetches an average rent say 1400, the turnkey property somehow magically rents for 1700. That changes all the numbers for cashflow calculation. 

b. For every 100 dollars additional shown in rent, the property can be charged $10,000 higher to keep the same ratios. 

c. In many cases they showed lower maintenance, lower insurance etc.. 

d. When I discussed with turnKey providers and ask about materials, appliances etc the underlying answer is why do you care when its renting. When I ask about the property is higher priced than market, its always why do you care or why do you say that when cashflow is positive. So I am a bit confused as its almost like "actual property has no significance"

3. In the similar areas, the houses I could find say were $200K (instead of $225 by TurnKey), however the cashflow does NOT make sense because 1400 on a 200K property doesn't flow positive for my calculations.

I know there are lot of great (and genuine) TurnKey providers in this forum (and I am not complaining). I want to learn and my initial analysis didn't seem favorable? I am sure I must be missing something. 

Am I understanding things wrong? TurnKey or not, shouldn't the 1% or closer rule still apply. People who successfully invested in TurnKeys in the recent past, any tips or perspectives? If any of you can share actual numbers it would be super helpful.

Thanks!

In one of the BP webinars there was a demonstration of taking a random property on MLS and the BP calculator showed positive cash flow during the webinar :) So I initially thought that is a valid strategy, but nope in reality it doesn't work may be.

Thanks for your note @Kenneth Garrett

Hello,

Is there space for a layman investor to actually find a good deal on ready to occupy homes listed on Redfin, Realtor etc? 

Most of the discussions people have seem to be buying a not so great property and then actually contracting to fixing it and getting value out of it and rent? Is it wasted effort to try finding ready to rent properties listed on Redfin? The best deals I found on "homes in good condition type properties" seem to have a rental ratio of .85% max, with minimal cash flow.

And obviously buying on retail listed prices would obviously mean we are paying top dollar in the current market price. Is what i am thinking/aiming even qualify as "real estate investing"? :)

Appreciate your suggestions and expertise. 

Thanks!