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All Forum Posts by: Rochelle Gerber

Rochelle Gerber has started 2 posts and replied 18 times.

Quote from @Brett Synicky:

@Rochelle Gerber The Solo 401k is for the business owner and their spouse only.  You cannot have a Solo 401k with full time w-2 employees outside of the married couple.   You can have employees that work less than 500 hours per year but they are ineligible to participate in the Solo 401k plan.  That said, a Solo 401k can easily invest in wall street by opening a brokerage account.  


 I don’t know who posted that but I don’t have employees. 

Quote from @John Bowens:

In the spirit of order of operations, might be helpful to break down in this fashion: 

1) With your 401(k), do you have pre-tax money and post-tax Roth funds? If so, you will need to rollover those funds into respective money sources of pre-tax and Roth. 

2) Analyzing whether to use IRA or Solo 401(k), is fairly straight forward, when the intent is for you to have your own business and want to use the funds for real estate investing. Most likely you will establish a Solo 401(k), due to the additional benefits, some of which were already mentioned. If you have pre-tax and post tax Roth funds in the existing 401k, you will initiate a rollover into a newly formed Solo 401(k), with some funds dropping into the pre-tax bucket and Roth funds dropping into Roth bucket.

3) 3 benefits that I find many real estate investors are attracted to with the Solo 401(k): 1) Higher Contribution Limits (providing you have enough earned income) 2) Ability to contribute to Roth, without MAGI limits where you have to do a backdoor contribution, like you do a Roth IRA. 3) Exemption from UBIT/UDFI on debt financed real estate deals, this could be directly, or through a syndication type deal.

4) Now, we can proceed with, what about the caveats and qualifications to open and maintain a Solo 401(k): 1) You need to have earned income from the business/sole prop. that is sponsoring the Solo 401(k). Your contributions have to be recurring and substantial. I will say, being the industry for nearly 20 years, this is a huge problem. I see folks who have Solo 401(k)'s, but only have passive income. If all you do is own rentals for example, likely not qualified with a Solo 401(k). You might consider getting with your CPA and discussing a strategy to have a micro-business and show some earned income. 2) You can't have any W-2 employees, with the exception of yourself, a spouse, and any partners that own at least 5% of the business. (Keep in mind controlled group rules, meaning if you own a business with W-2 employees, you often can't just setup a side business and open a Solo without giving benefit to your W-2 employees with your main business - another area not often discussed in this industry until it is too late). 

5) Lot's of pros with Solo 401(k)'s as you can tell from above with the UDFI exemption on debt financed real estate and ability to make larger contributions. There can be more compliance work and potentially higher costs compared to just a Self-Directed IRA.

6) If you decide to rollover to a Self-Directed IRA first (your pre-tax money) you can always rollover that money into a Solo 401k when you eventually qualify. Just keep in mind, if you move money into a Roth IRA, you can't move from Roth IRA into the Solo 401(k). You can however move from 401(k) Roth funds into the Roth bucket of the Solo 401(k).

Hopefully this gives you some ideas to run with. 

This should not be construed as tax, legal or financial advice. This is merely education. Please work this material through your professionals and seek the proper advice. 


 thank you very much. a lot to digest. it sounds like if my Solo business takes my existing 401k (only 401k funds I do not have roth funds) and my business pays me to flip homes and consult, then i can put my funds directly into the 401 solo plan. i will definitely reach out to my accountant as well. 

Quote from @Bill Hampton:

@Rochelle Gerber

Here are some of the downsides of putting real estate into an IRA or 401k.

No tax deductions: You can’t claim deductions for property taxes, mortgage interest, depreciation, repairs, improvements and other property-related expenses.

Property expenses: All expenses, repairs, and maintenance costs must be paid with IRA or 401k funds, and you must pay others to do repairs and manage the property. You can't even change a lightbulb.

You or your family can't use or live in the property. 

You can't sell a portion of a property like you can sell portions of stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc. You may have to sell the whole property to access the funds in the IRA or 401k when you retire.

If you violate any of these rules you could blow up your IRA or 401k and the IRS could force you to distribute all of the assets in the IRA or 401k. This could lead to a huge tax bill and penalties at the end of the year.

Think carefully before you do this. 

    Good luck. 


     ok thank you . i will study this

    Quote from @Brett Synicky:
    Quote from @Rochelle Gerber:

    Just to clarify, are you saying I can put 69k a year into the 401? That would obviously be the route to go. 
    is there a limit to how much of the account you can use to invest? Say, I bring 250,000 or 500,000, how much or what percentage is useable? 
    and if the 401 “makes” more than 69,000 based on investment returns is that fine ? 

    The $69k max only relates to contributions. If under 50 the max is $69k.  If over 50 the max is $76,500.  Roth or traditional or combination.  The contributions must be made from business income from the sponsoring business aka your self employment.   You wear two hats, you’re the employee so IRS allows elective deferral (just like your current w-2 401k) up to $23k or $30,500 if over 50 AND the employer so you can also make profit sharing contributions of 20% if profit or 25% if gross payroll.  Total cannot exceed $69 or $76,500

    You can invest as much as you want and no limits on returns.  In fact as the fiduciary your responsibility is to grow the account as quickly and effectively as you can.  If you're going to be self employed with no employees other than a spouse there isn’t a better retirement plan than the Solo 401k. 
     I encourage you to check out the link I posted above for more info.  


     thank you so much! very helpful

    Quote from @Chris Seveney:
    Quote from @Rochelle Gerber:

    Just to clarify, are you saying I can put 69k a year into the 401? That would obviously be the route to go. 
    is there a limit to how much of the account you can use to invest? Say, I bring 250,000 or 500,000, how much or what percentage is useable? 
    and if the 401 “makes” more than 69,000 based on investment returns is that fine ? 


    you can really only do a solo 401k if you are running a company. I moved mine to a self directed IRA and yes I invested in real estate.


     Well I would be running my own company 

    Just to clarify, are you saying I can put 69k a year into the 401? That would obviously be the route to go. 
    is there a limit to how much of the account you can use to invest? Say, I bring 250,000 or 500,000, how much or what percentage is useable? 
    and if the 401 “makes” more than 69,000 based on investment returns is that fine ? 

    Quote from @Joe Homs:

    @Rochelle Gerber yes about ten years ago and never looked back.  It's been wonderful.  Reach out to @Dmitriy Fomichenko who has the best options out there.

    Good Investing...


     thank you! i will

    I may leave a current employer and therefore I believe I will be eligible to turn my 401k into a real estate investment product. Pros and cons? ability to use the whole amount and how so ?

    Quote from @Mike Klarman:

    So, you do not need to cover the rehab yourself.  That's the point of the bridge loans.  You get the rehab money in the loan.  

    80% is a standard benchmark. If deal is under 70% prject cost to ARV and your credit is good, I have gotten 85%/90% for lots of first timers.


     ok thank you. i will reach out. it is

    Quote from @Jesse Dominguez-Castelan:

    Hi @Rochelle Gerber , Capital Fund 1 is a great lender for AZ, CO, TX, TN and GA. They lend up to 90%


     thank you