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All Forum Posts by: Robert Mitchener

Robert Mitchener has started 2 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Cleveland Ohio, A New Person

Robert MitchenerPosted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 2

@James Wise It really is that simple. Personal preference has been to coast by relatively comfortably at $26k annually pre-tax and then just buy what I want when I want it. Don't have a lot to show for it after 5 years. I may just have to pick up some more work and save all of that income until I can use it, and if it comes to that so be it. Eventually I want to help people that are in my situation, like with what Divvy does, by purchasing the home for them and having them live in it while they pay it off, but with a lot less required monthly (Divvy's minimum is $1k per month) and not as much return for myself (I want to help them, not hurt them). Perhaps that will ultimately be unrealistic, and I may only be able to do a few at a time 20 years from now, but I don't like seeing people start where I am and not have better options.

Post: Cleveland Ohio, A New Person

Robert MitchenerPosted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 2

@James Wise There appear to be several; the first is low savings, where $9,000 out of my current $12,000 is borrowed. Most lenders I have contacted have told me that I cannot use borrowed money for a down payment. The second is my debt to income ratio, which if I paid off all debts I'd have $3,000 saved up that I could use, and over half of that is in Fundrise's portfolio which takes a while to withdraw from. I have a few plans to save money up now that I'm looking closer at it, but that will take some time because of the third hurtle; I work 5 hours a day and enjoy my free time too much to take on another job, though I have been looking at freelancing. Thanks for the link! I will look into that tonight.

@Tom Ott Thank you!

@Ben Halabi Thanks, I will certainly look at that. Will be a very helpful resource.

@Anthoney Hanks I would certainly be able to house hack with FHA, although I know how picky I can be when it comes to where I live and moving around a lot doesn't sound like something I'd like to do (I like to settle for 10 years or more in one place). It is certainly a possibility though, I don't want to just straight up close off any one strategy, though it's more than just me, and I have to appease who I live with too. I will take a look for that webinar!

@Ryan Evans I may have to talk to more banks, because Citizen's Bank's loan officer told me their requirements were 25% down and no borrowed money (see my answer to James Wise at the top of this reply) and that $64,000 was too low for them to fund even if I did have the $16,000 down payment on something that was $80,000. I can certainly find a way to field a down-payment one way or another, probably up to about $20,000, but I feel like a lot of traditional lenders are not going to like anything below that, or how I get that money. Since most banks are have very strict lending guidelines, I didn't think it would be the best idea to waste my time finding loan officers at each one to try and find the one that might on the off-chance be able to do what I was looking for; in your experience have traditional loan terms varied widely from one bank to another?

@Justin Windham Thanks for the links; I will be looking into a lot more information in the coming months, and as Negan has repeatedly said, "People are a resource."

@Brian Garlington My response to James Wise at the top of this reply has most of it; borrowed money for the down payment, low mortgage loan amount, debt to income ratio too high. I have all my financials well in hand, but I understand their desire to ensure if the property itself fails (although it should be self-sufficient), I would be able to repay them what is owed.

Post: Cleveland Ohio, A New Person

Robert MitchenerPosted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 2

My name is Robert Mitchener, and I've been looking into real estate for a few months off and on, and in too many places to be honest. I've contacted multiple traditional lenders for information, and requested funding from them for some ideas I've had, all with the result of learning more without getting anywhere. I have two goals in mind; One, to become more proficient at finding and financing real estate deals for investment property. While this means that I may need to simply get more money to start out and maybe change my strategy, I do want to start owning a property sooner rather than later, having it and myself pay it off over 10 or 20 years instead of waiting that long to save enough money for a traditional mortgage and then spend 10 or 20 years paying it off after that. Two, I want to eventually become a private money lender, and help people like myself with good ideas get their hands on the property quickly instead of waiting even if they aren't making or saving incredible amounts of money. I'd like to be able to finance deals like Divvy Homes where I would purchase the property outright, and the borrower would simply pay like a rent-to-own property until they've paid it off, just without the minimum $1,000 in payments every month.

Perhaps I am thinking above my means, and I simply need to save money, purchase an owner-occupied property, improve it, then rent it out once it is paid off. My first post I made here was looking for information on turnkey styled investment property ownership and how to get money to fund those. I think for now I will be looking a lot more than actively trying to find something that will work.

Post: How to make an offering to the right lenders

Robert MitchenerPosted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 2

I am new to real property investing. My experience has been with platforms like Fundrise that does the work for you with their own portfolio. I make 16k a year with a roommate that makes 9k a year, for a total annual income of 25k a year. We have saved up approximately 5.5k in liquid investments with another 5.5k in non-liquid investments. Given that we can field only such a low amount to purchase properties that we want to buy and hold to produce a stream of income, we are having trouble finding (as one lending company called it) the "unicorn" of funders, someone who would be willing to finance up to 100% in some deal created for this purpose.

The properties I am looking at range from 65k to 109k, so we've been looking for anywhere between 70k for 1 property to 440k for 5 properties. The company we would be purchasing from has provided the estimated rent collected annually and the NOI after management fees (10% of total rent, which can be replaced by another cheaper alternative if needed) and required expenses. The NOI alone covers the cost of the purchases in 10 years or better. An expense buffer of approximately 5k per property was added to the value of what we're looking to obtain in funding for emergencies and other expenses that occur, up to a cap that when reached, excess would be used to help repay the funding.

Traditional bank mortgages can require up to 25% down payment from the borrower. As we cannot field this kind of money, we'd be waiting at least as long as it would take for the NOI to pay back the principle investment just to get the money to make the purchases (thus waiting double that amount of time before being able to make any return, after the down payment and purchase using a mortgage and that repayment). Other lenders have said similar things regarding down payment, and people or companies willing to finance 100% of ventures are looking more for fix and flips or wholesalers for quicker returns and a solid exit strategy.

As we are doing this a non-traditional way, and would simply like to get the properties into our portfolio, and are not concerned with short- to medium-term returns for ourselves, we've come up with the solution of offering a 35%+ ROI using the NOI of the properties over time to repay the financer(s). That would mean something like, if we get 440k for 5 properties, we would pay back 600k over 15 years, at 40k a year (some of the NOI would be held alongside the initial buffer for emergencies until a certain threshold is reached, after which excess of that could be returned toward repayment).

While this is an excessively long term investment in terms of real estate not going into a funder's direct portfolio, am I missing something crucial in my calculations or expectations of realized returns that would prevent me from finding someone willing to make this type of deal? Could it be more appealing to a funder to offer a larger pool in the longer term, or would it be more fitting to use some of our own income to supplement the return to reduce the time frame for repayment even if the end result doesn't change?

I have researched wholesaling and fix and flips and do not believe I would do well in those parts of real estate, regardless of how much experience I would get from such ventures. Buy and holds are my keen interest, even if I'm not seeing returns for myself for however many years. I am not making an offer here, just giving general guidelines to the types of deals I am looking to make, and gathering information based on responses to improve the potential to be matched with investors who would benefit and be open to these types of deals.