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All Forum Posts by: Robert-Lee Pass

Robert-Lee Pass has started 10 posts and replied 52 times.

Post: Seeking Advice: Local Metro or Nearby Rural Real Estate Investment?

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I'm headed to go walk one of the duplex's today in a couple hours. I hope the above info gives better insight to the actual size of the zip code.

if I wasn't so shy to out of site investing id be having a much easier time selecting location

Post: Seeking Advice: Local Metro or Nearby Rural Real Estate Investment?

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OK, just to clarify I would have never considered this place Rural in the literal terms. I only referred to it as that because when i ran the neighborhood scout report it came back saying density was rural.

Ill try to attach the report here to this thread not sure if i can do that . below ill also give some general stats so you have a better idea of the "Rural" I'm talking about.

Population of Zip code : 34.3K as of 2022 Dec +4% from Prior year
Population of County :

Post: Seeking Advice: Local Metro or Nearby Rural Real Estate Investment?

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Post: Seeking Advice: Local Metro or Nearby Rural Real Estate Investment?

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Hello fellow forum members,

I hope this post finds you all well. I'm within 90-120 days of making my first Investment purchase BUT I'm currently at a crossroads and could use some valuable insights from the experienced members of this community. I'm in the process of deciding where to invest in real estate, and I find myself torn between two options: The Local Metro area of Colorado Springs and the Nearby Rural region of Pueblo West, CO.  (NOTE : 30+ year hold , LTR, Appreciation is the goal cash-flow will become more valuable the older I get (hence the 30 year hold),  Duplex , 3/2/2 1500 per side 2024 build date in Rural Location. 

Each option has its own set of pros and cons, and I'm hoping to gather opinions and advice that could help me make a more informed decision. Here are some key factors that I'm considering:

  1. Potential for Appreciation:
    • Local Metro: The urban environment often sees faster appreciation rates due to high demand and constant development.
    • Nearby Rural: While rural areas might not experience rapid appreciation, they can offer steady growth and potentially lower entry points. --> The building construction is brand new vs something at least 25 years old in the city.
    • --> Its about a 45 Min drive to reach the Colorado Springs Metro's Most southern city 'fountain', this is where I own my current House Hack/Personal home
  2. Rental Income:
    • Local Metro: Rental demand tends to be high in metropolitan areas, attracting a diverse tenant pool.
    • Nearby Rural: I Have great comps as the neighborhood is just being built (6 other new builds with same floor-plan sold in that neighborhood in the last 2-3 years), there is a k-5 school on the same street in the neighborhood of the Rural build. 
  3. Long-Term Development:
    • Local Metro: Ongoing development projects can positively impact property values over the long term. but probably wont increase at the same speed % wise as the more rural location.. maybe I'm wrong ill have to research now .. 
    • Nearby Rural: Limited development might mean slower changes to the landscape but potentially fewer surprises. The location is growing and its the safest city in that entire county. home-ownership rate is very high like 85% most of the homes were built in the last 24-36 months. Currently only 30 people per mile
  4. Personal Preferences:
    • Local Metro: Older build , more expensive (at best its 0-100 cash-flow), higher rents, larger tenant pool
    • Nearby Rural: New build , cheaper (Will cash flow +500), rents a little softer but demand for new products and neighborhoods is real, tighter tenant pool.

Because this will be my first Multifamily as well as my first time being a landlord , I'm very much in love with the idea of very low CAP Ex Repairs needed in the first 5 years, the tenant quality applying to a new build unit in a new community, Just a much nicer and newer product for the money . I'm 30 years it would be nice to have a property that rents like a 1995 house does today and not a 50-70 year old property like a 1970 would be at year 30. Location of the unit is right up against that Lake Pueblo State park too. I actually frequently go there with the family in the summer.

I would greatly appreciate any experiences, advice, or considerations that could help me weigh these options more effectively. Have you invested in either a Local Metro or a Nearby Rural area? What factors did you find most crucial in making your decision? Any lessons learned or pitfalls to avoid?

Thank you in advance for your input. I'm looking forward to a discussion that will hopefully guide me toward making a well-informed choice.

- Robert-Lee

Post: Hello Everyone , New to the Game , Ready to Make Things Happen

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Quote from @Erik Browning:

Welcome to the club, Rob. We wish you luck and feel free to join us over a the Military Investing Forum. Best.


 Is this here on bigger pockets? Like a sub category?

Post: Hello Everyone , New to the Game , Ready to Make Things Happen

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Quote from @Erik Browning:
Quote from @Robert-Lee Pass:

Or was the change nothing to do with insuring the loan? and It had to do with lowering the down payment of a multifamily from 15-25 down to 5%? for conventional. I just thought a 5% down conventional on an owner occupied was already a thing?

-- I'm researching now (that recent YouTube video " Game changing mortgage news  " live about 2 days ago) got me confused on what the actual change was. So now I'm just reading the actual printed changes.

Update - looks like we wouldn't have to worry about the self sustainability rule going conventional and the down payment was lowered from 15% (2units) 25% (3-4 Unit) down to 5% across the board and doesn't need to meet the self sustainability rule. Sound about right?

The change was that before the update, the requirement was (at minimum) 15% down. Now it's 5%. 

It's a regulation update by the Government Sponsored Entities (GSE's) that regulate us as lenders. They set rules, provide guidelines, and ensure we are compliant with the requirements that ensure folks have the ability to repay. Meaning borrowers have jobs and their income can support the monthly payment - they do this so we don't run into another financial meltdown.

These GSE's, Fannie Mae in this instance, understands that with the higher rate environment, it's tough for some folks to qualify for homes. As a result, they changed this guideline because people can use the prospective/current rents as qualifying income to help them qualify for a home when maybe they otherwise couldn't with a larger down payment.

I'm also a veteran and using your VA entitlement is the best option here if you're going to purchase either a new construction or already existing property.

It sounds like you dig into the details to understand what's available to you. Because of that, I recommend you check out Ch4 of the VA guidelines to understand how to calculate your projected rental income as well as what other requirements are necessary to get you going. They can be found HERE.

Do a CTRL+F for "rental income." Specifically, start reading from the header that says "Verification of Multi-Unit Property Securing the VA loan."

A few things to note when qualifying for the prospective rental income on the other units, you must have...  

Cash reserves totaling at least 6 months mortgage payments (PITI). [which is sounds like you do]

and 
the borrower has a reasonable likelihood of success as a landlord

Reasonable success as a landlord means 1 of 2 things. 1, you have 2 full years documented of being a landlord on your taxes. Or 2, the VA requires you hire a property manager to manage the property, while hitting you for the monthly obligation to the hired property manager.

Additionally,

The amount of rental income to include in effective income is based on 75 percent of the amount indicated on the lease or rental agreement unless a greater percentage can be documented. 

For example, If you are receiving $1000/mo in the other units on the prospective property, $750/mo can be used as qualifying income.

As a veteran that has used the VA loan myself and also quit my old job to become a lender to show other vets how to also, getting into a home using your VA loan is really a great tool in your toolbelt while you pursue other real estate methods of obtaining property. While you are maximizing your VA loan to get up to 4 (or more) homes, you can also pursue off market properties like you are mentioning to build your portfolio. I do recommend that folks fully understand how to maximize their VA entitlement to their advantage while pursuing other forms of investing. If you click on my profile, I've written about it a handful of times because this question (about having more than 1 VA loan at a time) gets asked pretty frequently.

Welcome to the club, Rob. We wish you luck and feel free to join us over a the Military Investing Forum. Best.

Great post , thanks for taking the time to write all that out . I’m digging into CH4 now . And yes I do understand remaining entitlement and “second home” guidelines . I love how the benefit gives a total amount of zero down coverage essentially. And not just 1 property up to that amount . 

so a question for you . If I was to use my 310k remaining entitlement . And pay 20% on anything over that . (Property is 580k , leaves me 270k I would have to put 20% down on = 54,000 ) did this recent multi family change adjust that to 5% (13,500)? Or no ? 

im asking because this will change my CoC Return dramatically having that remaining entitlement buffer the down payment needed . Thanks

Post: Hello Everyone , New to the Game , Ready to Make Things Happen

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Quote from @Jordan Malara:

@Robert-Lee Pass Welcome to the BP community! I served for 5 years and have been investing in CO Springs for the last 6 years. Would love to connect! I organize a regular military investing group in the Springs that I'd love for you to join in on as well.


Wow, that sounds awesome . I would love to go to something like that. Its nice your local. I see your more specialized in STR space?

Post: Hello Everyone , New to the Game , Ready to Make Things Happen

Robert-Lee Pass
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Quote from @Erik Browning:
Quote from @Robert-Lee Pass:

Or was the change nothing to do with insuring the loan? and It had to do with lowering the down payment of a multifamily from 15-25 down to 5%? for conventional. I just thought a 5% down conventional on an owner occupied was already a thing?

-- I'm researching now (that recent YouTube video " Game changing mortgage news  " live about 2 days ago) got me confused on what the actual change was. So now I'm just reading the actual printed changes.

Update - looks like we wouldn't have to worry about the self sustainability rule going conventional and the down payment was lowered from 15% (2units) 25% (3-4 Unit) down to 5% across the board and doesn't need to meet the self sustainability rule. Sound about right?

The change was that before the update, the requirement was (at minimum) 15% down. Now it's 5%. 

It's a regulation update by the Government Sponsored Entities (GSE's) that regulate us as lenders. They set rules, provide guidelines, and ensure we are compliant with the requirements that ensure folks have the ability to repay. Meaning borrowers have jobs and their income can support the monthly payment - they do this so we don't run into another financial meltdown.

These GSE's, Fannie Mae in this instance, understands that with the higher rate environment, it's tough for some folks to qualify for homes. As a result, they changed this guideline because people can use the prospective/current rents as qualifying income to help them qualify for a home when maybe they otherwise couldn't with a larger down payment.

I'm also a veteran and using your VA entitlement is the best option here if you're going to purchase either a new construction or already existing property.

It sounds like you dig into the details to understand what's available to you. Because of that, I recommend you check out Ch4 of the VA guidelines to understand how to calculate your projected rental income as well as what other requirements are necessary to get you going. They can be found HERE.

Do a CTRL+F for "rental income." Specifically, start reading from the header that says "Verification of Multi-Unit Property Securing the VA loan."

A few things to note when qualifying for the prospective rental income on the other units, you must have...  

Cash reserves totaling at least 6 months mortgage payments (PITI). [which is sounds like you do]

and 
the borrower has a reasonable likelihood of success as a landlord

Reasonable success as a landlord means 1 of 2 things. 1, you have 2 full years documented of being a landlord on your taxes. Or 2, the VA requires you hire a property manager to manage the property, while hitting you for the monthly obligation to the hired property manager.

Additionally,

The amount of rental income to include in effective income is based on 75 percent of the amount indicated on the lease or rental agreement unless a greater percentage can be documented. 

For example, If you are receiving $1000/mo in the other units on the prospective property, $750/mo can be used as qualifying income.

As a veteran that has used the VA loan myself and also quit my old job to become a lender to show other vets how to also, getting into a home using your VA loan is really a great tool in your toolbelt while you pursue other real estate methods of obtaining property. While you are maximizing your VA loan to get up to 4 (or more) homes, you can also pursue off market properties like you are mentioning to build your portfolio. I do recommend that folks fully understand how to maximize their VA entitlement to their advantage while pursuing other forms of investing. If you click on my profile, I've written about it a handful of times because this question (about having more than 1 VA loan at a time) gets asked pretty frequently.

Welcome to the club, Rob. We wish you luck and feel free to join us over a the Military Investing Forum. Best.

Great info thanks for this ! this is now what ill be learning about the rest of the day lol

Post: New to BP and REI

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I'm New to Bp and REI as well. I'm currently in the Springs area , also where i will be investing. I'm Ex Army been here sense 2012 was active duty 2005-2011 ( deployed to Iraq twice in support of OIF)

Post: Hello Everyone , New to the Game , Ready to Make Things Happen

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Or was the change nothing to do with insuring the loan? and It had to do with lowering the down payment of a multifamily from 15-25 down to 5%? for conventional. I just thought a 5% down conventional on an owner occupied was already a thing?

-- I'm researching now (that recent YouTube video " Game changing mortgage news  " live about 2 days ago) got me confused on what the actual change was. So now I'm just reading the actual printed changes.

Update - looks like we wouldn't have to worry about the self sustainability rule going conventional and the down payment was lowered from 15% (2units) 25% (3-4 Unit) down to 5% across the board and doesn't need to meet the self sustainability rule. Sound about right?