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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 2 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Under contract on my second property, looking for opinions.

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Quote from @Michael Warthen:

Hi Robert,

I am in the middle of doing something similar. I am looking into purchasing my second home in the Phoenix area. I have similar concerns as you but as I do not plan to sell anything for 10+ years, I am less concerned about what it looks like now. As long as I am not losing money month to month, then I feel confident in my long term goal and believe appreciation/market rent will work in my favor. I think you will find success if your goal is long term hold single families. Good luck with your investments!


 I appreciate this feedback. It is extremely difficult to find deals that cash flow right now with these interest rates. 

Post: Under contract on my second property, looking for opinions.

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The property was originally listed as 430K  and sat on the market for 35 days with a couple price reductions down to 375K. We placed an offer of 360K and it was accepted. The home is in a decent area which is East Mesa if your familiar with the Phoenix market. I know prices are dropping and I'm second guessing whether I built in enough equity. I'm putting 5% down so I should have a balance of 342K. I'm taking a rate at 5.75% with no buy down and my concern is that I will have lost too much equity to refinance the property when rates eventually drop. 


I found two recently closed identical comps and they sold for 440K 04/01/2022 and the other for 420K on 06/01/2022. This purchase would be my first step towards investing in property since I will be retaining and renting out my first home so I'm a little anxious about it all. I feel that I'm getting a decent discount on the property to pad my equity, but what are your thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

If your purpose is cash flow, you figure it one way. If your pupose is fix & flip you figure it another way. If your purpose is to live in it you figure it yet a different way. 

It sounds like you will be renting your first home and living in the new one?

I'm figuring a 10% drop in prices from May 2022 to Dec 2022 in the Phoenix/Mesa market. 

I started in this business when interest rates averaged 8% - which is the long term average for mortage rates historically. Anything below 8% is a deal. To hope and wait for rates to drop enough below 5.75% to refinance isn't how I would look at things. 

If you are going to live in it for 5 years or more, you are probably going to break even with expenses (selling one and buying the next) because cost of sales runs around 8% of the sales price. So, your property needs to appreciate about 8% to break even. 

If you are going to live there for 30 years, you simply refinance over time as things make sense to do and don't worry about it.


 My long term goal is new purchase a new primary home every year or two and retain the properties to build a small portfolio of single family homes. My total payment on this new property will be $2250.00 and the current market rate is around $2000-2200. Just hoping to make numbers work within a couple years so I can purchase a 3rd home to keep investing in property. 

Post: Under contract on my second property, looking for opinions.

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The property was originally listed as 430K  and sat on the market for 35 days with a couple price reductions down to 375K. We placed an offer of 360K and it was accepted. The home is in a decent area which is East Mesa if your familiar with the Phoenix market. I know prices are dropping and I'm second guessing whether I built in enough equity. I'm putting 5% down so I should have a balance of 342K. I'm taking a rate at 5.75% with no buy down and my concern is that I will have lost too much equity to refinance the property when rates eventually drop. 


I found two recently closed identical comps and they sold for 440K 04/01/2022 and the other for 420K on 06/01/2022. This purchase would be my first step towards investing in property since I will be retaining and renting out my first home so I'm a little anxious about it all. I feel that I'm getting a decent discount on the property to pad my equity, but what are your thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

Post: How do I seller finance from my mother in law?

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@Account Closed check out Pace Morby for creative financing and subject to. You could also do a purchase option if your main goal is to negotiate a low monthly payment. You can create any terms that you want and then if rates ever come down again execute the option and put it into your name.

What is your main purpose of doing it this way? 


 My motivation to buy the home is to retain her sub 3% interest rate. The best rate I can currently get right now with around $7000.00 worth of point buydown is 5.1%. This is with Ally, I've found that they are by far the most competitive for rates. 

The down side in making this deal is I lose my capitol to potentially purchase other properties as the market cools down. 
 


 Exactly my thoughts regarding your capital. Would this be a primary residence or a rental property? 


 It would be my primary until I could purchase again within a year. My plan is to try and finance a new property every year as a primary so I only have to put down 5% at a time. I would then turn my current home into a rental which should cash flow around $400-450 before considering vacancy loss and cap and repairs. It's a new build so I don't anticipate much repair or cap ex hoping to truly cashflow $250-300 a year 

Post: How do I seller finance from my mother in law?

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@Account Closed

You would need to normally take Title at the beginning of all of this... Since you are unable or unwilling to pay off her mortgage upfront, the primary way to handle this would be a subject-to deal. So, you'd close at $400k, keep the mortgage in place since its subject-to, and record a Note for $132 I believe. Make sure that you get POA for her mortgage so that they will deal with you directly.

Other than its your mother in law, I'm not sure how this makes sense for her.  If you pay the $132k at $1000/mo for 11 years, that is her giving you a 0% interest loan...  I think the IRS has laws against free lending, especially when its not an arms length transaction.  They will force it, i.e. tax it, at whatever is deemed the market rate.  One "creative" way to handle it would be to just gift her the money every year since you can each do $15k a year, so that would cover it.  However, if you don't record the Note the loan isn't secured...


 The upside for her is that I can offer her a purchase price that is higher than market value, but I understand what your saying and am willing to pay interest on my loan to her. I'm just exploring this option because otherwise I can purchase the home from her with a new loan and cut out an agent to save us both money. I would just have to eat a high interest rate by doing so. 

Post: How do I seller finance from my mother in law?

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Quote from @Allie Pfannenstiel:

@Account Closed check out Pace Morby for creative financing and subject to. You could also do a purchase option if your main goal is to negotiate a low monthly payment. You can create any terms that you want and then if rates ever come down again execute the option and put it into your name.

What is your main purpose of doing it this way? 


 My motivation to buy the home is to retain her sub 3% interest rate. The best rate I can currently get right now with around $7000.00 worth of point buydown is 5.1%. This is with Ally, I've found that they are by far the most competitive for rates. 

The down side in making this deal is I lose my capitol to potentially purchase other properties as the market cools down. 
 

Post: Unexpectedly got a house in Phoenix, need quality PM leads

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What part of the valley? 

Post: How do I seller finance from my mother in law?

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The one property is worth $400,000 she owes $168,000. I want to work out a deal where I am able to able to retain her interest rate of 2.75% while having it make sense for her as well. I have the ability to pay her a lump sum of $100,000 up front and take over her payments. I would then propose giving her something like $1000 a month to pay her off on the remaining $132,000 equity which would take exactly 11 years. I would need to propose this to her, but first want to figure out how to to protect us both? I understand that you would typically create some type of promissory note? At what point would I take title, once both the loan and our agreement has been paid in full?