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All Forum Posts by: Rob Cook

Rob Cook has started 2 posts and replied 30 times.

@Jay Helms

I agree, generally.  I have never been a "goal" guy, and it is odd and confounds many who have trained me. But, I have also run into other very successful investors who say the same thing, goals are not their thing.  

I think the important things are Drive, Ambition and Work ethic. Knowledge comes with experience. Skills come with doing. Success comes with consistent hard work over time. 

I have made a lot of money, in Real Estate investing.  I always feel like every deal I come across might be my last one!  So I better nail it. That sense of urgency and drive has never waned, and at 59 I guess it never will.  

My "problem" has always been, being what I consider a "small thinker."  By that I mean, I gravitate towards simple and avoid complicated.  I would rather roll up my sleeves and dig into a nasty rehab property, than spend 3 more months trying to find a deal that could make me the same money, without getting my hands dirty.  I do NOT believe real estate investing is passive, period. Not the way I do it.  It is a business to me, and I treat it as such. 

And as a business, I have to have a continuous flow of deals, not one here or there.  So my approach to finding deals, has always been an active one, and if I had a "goal" of buying two deals a year, and then found and bought two in January, what would that goal do for me? Yes, you could set another.  But that reveals the goal as superfluous, and like partnerships, can take on a life of their own and get in the way of doing business. 

That all said, I do believe in knowing your "Why" but only to support your drive to do what has to be done to succeed. 

@Brett Michael

Ok, that is what I figured, but if you owned a college campus, your situation and my advice would be quite different! 

Cannot answer all of your questions here, but will start. 

First, I understand how frustrating it is, trying to learn all about RE investing. That was the point and premise of this discussion. I felt like that in law school, like drinking from a firehose. Just have to stay focused and be patient. 

Regarding the duplex questions. First, it is important that you learn how and then always perform an analysis on any given deal. You take into consideration the rental income, purchase price, any repairs and fixup necessary, and the usual expenses associated with a rental property.  These normally include an allowance for Vacancy, Maintenance/repairs, Cap Ex, Management, taxes, and insurance.  

Depending on how you finance the property, you may also have a mortgage payment, which may include Principle and Interest. 

Absent actual data and information, I usually use 10% for each of the 4 expenses (Vac, Maint, Capex, Mgmt) and often, the taxes and insurance are around 10% too.

So the typical Expenses assumptions I use, add up to 50% of the monthly rental income. 

In your example, if the rents were $700, with tenants paying all utilities, then your 50% expenses would leave you $350 a month leftover to service your debt (Mortgage Payment) and anything leftover would be your net cash flow. If you paid all cash for the property, at $35K price, so have no debt service, then your cash flow would be about $350 per month. However, if you put 20% down and borrowed 80% at 5% rate for 30 years, your P&I mortgage payment would be $150 per month.  That would still leave you $200 net cash flow.  Everything being equal, this appears on paper to be an outstanding investment opportunity, based on what you shared. But that is just the beginning of the decision process for you. In other words, the pro-forma analysis did not rule OUT the deal. 

You would then take a much closer look at it.  We did not include any fixup or closing costs in the acquisition cost. 

You would need to inspect the property and determine what work is needed and might be needed in the near future. And take that into consideration in your offer price. 

Cannot say why the property may not have sold yet, you have to figure that out. It can be for many reasons, including the market, location, condition, and many other potential influences on the value, or a buyer's desire or interest in owning the property. Could even be incorrectly listed. 

As for how can you pull money out of a property you own outright, to use for other investments, there are a number of ways. Obviously, selling it would be the typical method. Second, is placing a mortgage on it, and use the borrowed funds to purchase other properties. This loan could be a regular cash-out-refi or you could obtain a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) on it.

Your low-ball offer question.  Not sure how to answer that, even if I had more info. If that is a strategy you want to use, then you have to decide how many, and for how long, and how low, etc. People do it, BP just had a podcast with an attorney investor who bought hundreds of condos by making tons of offers each day. So it works. 

Not sure how to answer your question about best financing option on a paid off rental. Need to clarify that. 

If you purchase two separately platted houses, they will each have their own mortgage, but a bank might do a single note, cross-collateralizing both properties, but that would be odd and not serve any purpose I can see, absent more details.   IF you meant the duplex and not two houses, and the duplex is actually a single parcel in the land records, then yes, it would be a single mortgage and note. Again, give more info on this one.

So always remember, answers can only be as good as the questions asked.  The more detail and info in your questions, the more accurate and applicable the answers can be.

Hope that helps. 

@Caleb Heimsoth

I agree with everything you stated.  And I would add, that no real estate investing is easy. If it is, it was probably luck and a one-time deal. It happens, and we welcome the easy ones. 

The reason wholesaling is difficult, is because it requires finding and negotiating good deals.  That can be said about all strategies, which was my point of mentioning wholesaling. With other strategies, like buy and hold, you can sometimes get away with paying more for the acquisition, but I don't. I treat them the same as wholesaling. Same for fix and flips. 

I spent 2 days with a coaching client, in Salt Lake last week, driving for dollars among other training activities. We found 13 visibly distressed properties in about 5 hours. We spent another two hours researching them on the internet. What was interesting, is that three of them, all in different neighborhoods, were owned by the same wholesaling firm.  In other words, a wholesaler had found and bought them. It works.  

Another property offered another good example for my client.  As we got out of our vehicle to walk over to the vacant house, the owner drove up in a car and asked if he could help us. We explained we were looking for homes to purchase, and had a 10-minute conversation. He was a 36-year-old criminal defense attorney, who lived down the street, and bought this house when he found out it was coming on the market. Kind of a neighborhood-insider deal.  He had done the same for two other properties. He had not decided yet whether to fix it up and live in it, rent it, or sell it. He was in essence, a wholesaler. It works. 

My client had learned, in a few hours, what he had not been able to understand or learn in years of studying about real estate investing. His eyes were now wide open. In a hot market like his, off-market deals are about the only way to find deals which will work out, in any strategy. Driving for dollars is the simplest, easiest, and probably most efficient way to start.  A couple hours of doing that a day, three days a week, and there is no way he will not find a good deal within a month or two.  One strategy, one tactic, is all he needs. Yes, he could do internet and direct mail marketing too. And even engage "bird dogs" to look for and send him leads when they run across potentially interesting properties.   

@Brett Michael

That is a lot of questions brother!  First, clarify, do you own a college campus, or a property near one?

@Prabhjot Khinda

That is what I am talking about.  There is so much information out there that it can be overwhelming.  

Open one door, only to find 4 more doors behind it, and on and on. 

But the reality is, that one will only really learn and gain knowledge by doing.  As you said, jump in and get started and learn on the job.  

Of course, it is a mistake to not adequately prepare.  The challenge is knowing what "adequately" means for any given individual and situation.  

While it is admirable to resolve, as you mentioned, to just go and learn on the job, it still leaves people not knowing how to get started. 

My first advice, generally, would be to pick a strategy that makes sense to you. There are many to choose among. And your own financial situation might dictate one over others. Just pick ONLY ONE, and learn it well. You do not need many or all of the strategies, period. And that is often why people never get started, trying to bite off too much before they begin. 

For example, wholesaling.  This is one of my favorites for many reasons. 

First, it can be done by anyone, even without any credit, income or cash. 

Second, it encapsulates the most valuable skill set of all, shared in every strategy. Finding undervalued properties. 

That is literally 95% of the battle in Wholesaling, and the largest portion of all other strategies. So starting out wholesaling would develop this skill in the quickest time frame possible, without ANY of the usual barriers to starting out (Money, Credit or income). 

And with the intent of never actually purchasing the property, let alone having to rehab and then rent or market it thereafter, Wholesaling is the fastest way to develop the most valuable skills of deal finding and deal making.

How is that for a "solution"? 

@Account Closed   

lol, cannot help you with Dancing With the Stars addiction. Other than, turn off the TV!

Not really selling anything. Trying to see what people are having problems with and see if I can offer any help or advice. 

@Fradel Schaechter  

 No doubt about that. And whether the reasons are real, or imagined, they have the same effect. Paralysis. Dysfunction. Lack of necessary action.  

Today, I read only two blog posts on BP, and BOTH were about the same subject.  

Getting Started in RE investing, essentially. 

I believe there are very real, and many imagined impediments to would-be, aspiring Real Estate Entrepreneurs actually getting to it.  Buying a property. Moving from the "classroom" to the real world. 

I have a lot of thoughts on this and it is my favorite subject and specific topic.  I am passionate about helping others transition from student to investor and sad that so many fail to actually accomplish this. 

Let's discuss why.  

Post: Why are mentors hard to find and sketchy about teaching?

Rob CookPosted
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@Gregory Hatcher   It is my, and all of your new BP family's pleasure helping, as you have seen already here.  Let me know how I can help. Anytime.

Post: Why are mentors hard to find and sketchy about teaching?

Rob CookPosted
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@Gregory Hatcher

You have shown good judgment both in responding back to the thread here and most importantly, that for whatever reason, you did not pay anyone $20K to $50K for anything that does not have a deed involved! 

Lots of great advice and love from the members here. Use it. Education is necessary, but only to a point. Then experience has to kick in. And that means getting out of the classroom and finding deals.  My whole online training and coaching business is about helping aspiring Real Estate Entrepreneurs get unstuck, out of neutral, and past GO.  I even coined the phrase to identify those who continuously buy more and more courses and training, but never actually buy a deal. Serial Skillers.   

Don't be another of those. Learn and seek education, of course. But keep it in perspective, it is a means to an end, not the end in itself.  We learn so we can do.  Spend your $20K to $50K as a downpayment on a real estate deal instead!