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All Forum Posts by: Roarke Van Brunt

Roarke Van Brunt has started 2 posts and replied 39 times.

Post: Looking for advice to start in my real estate investment journey

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Hi Joey,

I think you should save aggressively, I am currently in your exact situation.  I would really, really, really, advise you to make sure you are taking advantage of your 401k match if one is available to you through your company. Especially if you are 100% vested and its a ROTH. Almost nobody talks about the fact that day one for every dollar of your match you are getting a 100% return on your money, and that is before even one day of compounding at 7-10% (long term averages) that the stock market can give you. Don't forget there are ways to access that money now as@Brad Hammond mentioned with loans while you are still with your company.  

Its nice to contribute ten thousand to a 401k, but have twenty thousand due to the match. Most 401k's let you borrow up to 50% of its asset value, so you can still have 100% of the buying power of your ten thousand its just in a 401k.  The bonus here is that you are paying back the loan, and its interest, with contributions....as in the 100% match you are getting.  Sounds like a good use of other peoples money right?   There are limits to how much you can borrow in a 401k, its usually 50% of your vested balance, and I think the current rules cap it at $50,000 borrow-able, so once you have passed $100,000 in the account you really can't borrow more off it.  There repayment period for the loan can also be extended past 5 years if the loan is used to purchase your primary residence too.  The big downside to these loans is paying them back early if you leave your company, so keep that in mind if you decide to go with one.

All that being said, I would save anything over the company match outside of the 401k so you can deploy it freely.  

I would also advise you to be careful in how you apply some of the Rich Dad, Poor Dad concepts.  The core concept I took from the book was how to look at things and really decide if it is an asset or a liability, and I personally think it is a great idea and really had an impact on me.  The mindset of how to get wealthy I also enjoyed, but I had that from other authors prior to reading Rick Dad, Poor Dad.  The author of Rick Dad, Poor Dad, however, has not been an absolute unmitigated success. So I would make sure you keep your eyes open for pitfalls when absorbing other peoples teachings/wisdom, even mine, or especially mine :)  Go do your own homework, find other opinions and weight their ideas by their merit.

Currently I am hunting down my first multifamily in Portland Oregon, I am looking for a diamond in the rough though since I am Project Manager at a regional Commercial General Contracting firm and am hoping to take advantage of that skill set.

Just my two cents from a rookie in real estate just like yourself.  

"Some people say advice is worth what you pay for it"


Post: First Time Flipper Asking For Help With Running Numbers

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

I think you made a good call then Joel.  Other deals will come along where you will feel more comfortable with the numbers.

Post: Portland, OR Bathroom Remodelers

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Kurt's company Chroma Property Management has a good reputation in the area so don't discount his recommendation. Here are a few other residential contractors in Portland that are not quite as big as America's Perfect Home.  

Mr. Tapia Maintenance and Remodeling (https://www.tapiaremodeling.co...)

Riggs and Martin, Inc. (https://www.riggsandmartin.com...)

Legendary Concrete Design (https://www.legendaryconcreted...)  They also do full service contracting, not just concrete. 

Another way to go about finding a good GC that you want to work with is if you find one contractor you like, for example tile, casework, painter, plumbing, or electrician.  Ask them which GC's they work with or recommend for the rest of your project.  They will have at least one they can probably recommend. 

Post: Exit Strategy/What's your "number"?

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

I like your question @Bryan Danger.

What makes your original question so great is that for me it all started with the FI drive that took me to different places. Career moves, lifestyle changes, education, and investments. When I finally ended up looking at RE, and having gained so much knowledge on my FI journey in other areas, it really helped me appreciate what RE can do. In fact, I don't think i would really be ready or have the mindset needed for RE without FI.  I think the thing I like about RE is how it scales.  I am just starting my journey in RE but can already see, as @Brandon Turner put it in a recent podcast episode, I can go from level 1 to 3 to 7, and make those huge jumps.  Being in construction and knowing from experience how a $4 million property development and a $20 million development can take the same time/energy/effort really made that lesson/episode resonate for me.  

I think the reason you don't hear the magic number you hear in other forums is Bigger Pockers just gets you pumped!  Yes, I want FI and that is how I found Bigger Pockets as part of that search/learning journey.  But RE isn't really a "new job" as you say when you are excited every day to do more of what you are doing.  The idea of being master of your own destiny really resonates in RE and honestly the freedom that FI is supposed to bring is I think what most are after in those forums you mentioned. If you listen to the podcast and read the forums, the freedom is built in from almost the get go, and because of that the "magic number" or "exit" just doesn't seem to be the focus. 

My FI journey started years ago, but my RE journey just started, and I know where my FI journey ends, there is a number. My RE journey however has just begun. I have no idea far it's  going to go, but WOW I am excited to find out.

Great post topic!




Post: What are your steps to vetting a new contractor

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Hi Rema,

Get their License and Insurance as a must, and then actually check them. Most states have a license search page you can check. 

Small Contractors: Online Reviews, Photos of Work.  If your work requires they provide materials, ask them to provide product data sheets, install instructions, and if applicable Operations and Maintenance paperwork.  Most of these are readily available even on home depots website, but if they can't/won't provide them to you or provide them in a sloppy fashion you can expect similar from their communication on a project. It's a way to test for professionalism, doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good at the actual work, but worth asking for. Referrals work but only if you trust who you are talking too.  Best thing you can do is plan on their work being 10-20% more expensive then advertised, if they stink you have it covered and try the next guy.  Honestly, it is some trial and error at this level, and even if you get a great experience once, doesn't mean you will have a great one next time.

Assuming you have the volume of work to be talking to Larger Contractors: Ask for a COI naming you/your business as additionally insured (would recommend with all contractors, but most handyman won't know what you are asking about).  Do not sign their quote ever. Create your own contract or PO order form, send to contractor to sign. The language describing the work should reflect your understanding of the work, or reflecting plan documents/spec. Union/Non-Union is a big deal at this level.  Sometimes you can get the same crappy workers under different companies if they keep pulling them from the hall when its a large job, so you want to ask them how they are staffing the job, with current employees or pulling new ones from the union, partnering with another shop.  Often they won't have the staff and will subcontract with another shop for additional labor.  Meet the foreman/project manager as part of any final budget conversation. Its always wonderful when a project starts and the estimator does a Cheshire Cat impression and the PM is stuck with a lousy budget and tries to milk for change orders to fill up the budgets gaps.  If the PM was part of the budget/quote discussion(s) (or at least the last meeting before contracting) then they don't have as many "reasons" for change orders.  Plus it just helps get you all on the same team.  Flat out to their face ask your contractor what's wrong with the plans the Architect/Engineer designed.  They WILL tell you and you can save yourself some cost in change orders later on by addressing some of the issues now, if they clam up, be very afraid. They want to write change orders to you for all the plan gaps they know exist. Contractors love complaining about crappy design work on plans and will basically give away the farm on where the change orders that aren't earned (earned = you making a changes to the plans after contracting) will come from. Also ask them what they see as the biggest risk on the project for their scope of work.  Ask them in person if this is a go to work number, and that they won't have 20 RFI's pending change orders for you five minutes after you hand them a contract.  Ask them if there are any lien's on projects they contracted on, investigate if so.  Being able to talk to the ultimate decision maker is really important at this level.  If you the owner, can't talk to their president/owner directly to resolve any nasty disputes, then lawyers get involved and it gets ugly.  I would advise against working with board run Contractors (or where the controlling power is distributed) because nobody wants to take risk in those situations and everybody becomes a lawyer real fast. Generally you want to have someone on their end who is empowered to speak for the company so you can resolve any sticky items quickly and with one decision maker.

I really like @Patrick Page multiple quotes comment.  Get three, ask questions each, it will help shake things out.  A good tip for the small stuff is to ask, who helped you the most while quoting?  Asked the good questions? Was on time? Easy to reach?  Might be they are the best option even if their quote is 1-5% more.  On the big stuff, if someone gives you deal, you vet the crap out of it, and unless you have a very good reason for saying no you take it. You burn bridges with large contractors otherwise, and they might not bid your next job as estimating is a cost they can't recover if they don't get the work.  

Estimating/Quoting - from my own experience as someone who solicits quotes, and provides them. I receive quotes form subcontractors, but build quotes for clients as a General Contractor.  At some point all contractors will stop, or get real lazy about updating quotes/estimates if the job isn't locked in.  They don't get payed to quote, just do the work.  So every time they spend 30 minutes pricing something different they have to make money up on the actual work.  Their margins get smaller the longer they price, so if you are asking for small time work, say $2,000 or less, don't expect somebody to spend 5 hours of their week repricing the same work to you with 20 different options. Eventually you become not worth the time/effort to serve.  Also, give a good impression as somebody a contractor wants to work for.  If you are a jerk, stupid, critical, or a lawyer, expect the cost to go up 10-15% just for the hassle of dealing with you.  If I know that when I quote, it is absolutely built into the price, don't make the assumption that everybody is absolutely dying to work for you. When I do a site visit for a quote, it's an interview of the work and client for me, almost as much as it is for you. A good contractor will have a decent amount of work, and will have some walk away power.  Bad clients usually equal bad jobs so keep that in mind when dealing with your contractor too.







Post: Multifamily Price Evaluation in the time of Rent Moratoriums

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Thanks Brad,

Nice to hear from an Agent's perspective.

It still seems like people would factor this in more at this point.  Pandora's box is open so to speak, so if you are going to own a rental property long term it seems like you would want to factor this into your vacancy rate?

For example if I owned a unit for 30 years that's only 360 months, so a vacancy rate pre rent moratoriums of 5% would give me 18 missed months in 30 years.  But what I have been seeing was 6-9 months of non-revenue periods just in the pandemic period.  So over a 30 year period going forward I kind of assume that some new pandemic will hit us, and the government would use the same tools.  If you are going to miss and extra 6-9 months from a pandemic every 30 years shouldn't you factor in an extra 2.5%ish to your vacancy/non payment rate?   I guess my question is does everybody think this is a new normal, or are we truly going back to business as usual?

Post: ADUs legal everywhere?

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Roarke Van Brunt:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Gary L Wallman:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

Most people can barely afford what they've got, so it's typically only people with money that can afford to build an ADU and then they'll rent it for a high price.

I'm a fan of less-restrictive laws, but have reservations about the long-term impact. When you double the number of residents on 25% of the lots, that's a big increase in parking. How does it impact traffic flow? Pollution? Landfill? Water and electric demands? Wastewater treatment? And it may work well in an upper-class community where people are better citizens. Population density and low-income do not produce good results.

Anway, I hope it works.

Nathan as for the new ADU rules Portland is the poster child for this as well as most of Oregon.. I can do an ADU here in Lake Oswego and if I put a covenant on it that its a true granny unit direct relative going to live in it then NO permit fee's If I am going to rent it permit for a ADU is about 50k in our market so thats before you put a spade in the ground. Portland Metro has very high density rules and has had for years so its already here.. I built 3 homes in city of Portland in 2019/2020 it was a 40X100 lot and I put 3 SFR's on it 2 were attached and one was free standing.. zoning did NOT ALLOW for any off road parking.. I wanted to go under and have parking below but that was not allowed the city planners want people to take metro and ride bikes .. so yes you look at the street and its a mess when those 3 units bring 3 to 6 cars with them and no place to park .. the laws are changing now to get even more density in these areas of SFR.. Every lot now can have a duplex.. So you can imagine in areas were you have stately 1 to 3 million dollar homes and someone all of a sudden wants to build a duplex LOL.. not popular.. I just sold one in the Historic district close to downtown and the investors is putting ADU in Basement building a garage with ADU above then on the side lot another ADU.. and that house was basically a tear down I sold for 700k.. so to make the math work he is going to be in this 1.2 at least and now you have the main house an adu above garage an Adu in basement and the other adu.. so rents will all be well over 2k per door to make that work.. so affordable Na planners and city fathers puff their chest out about how great they are doing proving additional housing YA..

Jay,

A 50,000 dollar permit fee for an ADU is freaking obscene. Why do taxpayers tolerate this nonsense?

Then our politicians wonder why there are homeless people on the sidewalk in front of their businesses.

Give me a break. Throw these people out of office immediately!

Gary

Gary they hit us from every angle..  ON my phase 3 of the current project  30 of 90 new builds.  we have to build a 1200 foot pedestrian path that hooks up to nowhere.. just in case sometime in the next 50 the trails go through but thats probably 100k..  And now the Fire Marshall again after the fact.. wants 1000 feet of 8 inch water main outside of our project there would be zero homes protected with this water line. thats 100k.. so right there on 30 lots about 8k a lot increase.. then in this city add 30k for permits and other 50k per lot to put in sewer water power etc to their standards and well you have 88k per lot round up to 100k because its always more.. Before you even bought the dirt.. so how are we to build 200k affordable homes in our area.. add in 150 a foot for vertical and now cost is right at 400k or a little more per house.  add in carrying costs and builder profit and you can see why a 2k sq ft home needs to sell for about 600k in our market to have a reasonable return on risk .   

In charleston SC permits are 5k per house total although they just hit us with some extension stuff we never had to do a few years back but still.  so 500k is starter in the inner city..  

I am building in N. FLA right now and we can put out a dinger  1200 sq ft 3 2 brand new and make a profit at 225k. investors are buying these up from us.. as they are nice rentals.. really bullet proof houses with very little wood ..  and modern codes. strong demand and I can see why given other markets.   

Its why this whole RE game is so very market specific  one size simply does not fit all.  And U folks that have a sand box filled with homes you can buy for far less than replacement cost your in the drivers seat when you choose correctly.. If I lived there thats what i would be doing :)


Gary,

If you think what Jay is saying is scary, let me tell you it's the tip of the iceberg. Rock climbing gym project derailed because planners want sidewalk ramp up to building for wheelchair accessibility form street level on elevated site, Bend OR. Only way to do it was eat up property with switchback or elevator. Project tips over budget, doesn't get built. Hillsboro OR adopts development code requiring 3/4 street improvements or 20 year warranty of existing street/sidewalks on development. Good luck proving that it has 20 years of lift left. Hope you owned a flag lot, and not something that's narrow against a street. Kills projects left and right. How do you build less than 50k square feet and not get destroyed by the half mil in public improvements you have to do? They built the city out, increased their tax base, and now just want to let the big whales in. Dundee OR, 3/4 street installed from intersection to railroad behind building that has no crossing. I mean project still went because the business expanding was booming, but that was 125k of useless pavement. I think the only use it has is when the city parks vehicles on it...

The fire/life/safety (aka fire marshal) games that Jay is talking about area a universal constant in OR.

There were some earlier comments in this thread regarding local vs federal, and lets be honest, incentives are what matter local or not. Cities/Counties can be as inviting or not inviting as they want and the average person has no idea.

I had a project in Dundee tied up a number of years ago and exactly at that time could no way make it work given the improvements to the existing roads plus build the infrastructure through the project.. It did finally sell and develop once lot prices got high enough.  But what you see is affordability as a big fat Oxymoron.  And Govmit exacerbates the situation on one end and whines on the other.   I also control the 117 acres on the North side of Evergreen parkway and West of Jackson School road.. long battle moving that into the UGB but we have it at a price were they can throw this stuff at us I know we will be doing major road improvements.. but at least the state built the new freeway over pass and the roundabout LOL  those things cost 2 to 4 mil to build.. its a 2030 to 2035 project maybe 2040 and my kids and grandkids will be the winners..  :)


Amazing job on that land Jay. I think once Canby fills up (the hot spot for us right now) then people are going to be right back out to that fill out  that area by Brookwood, Meek and NE Evergreen, but right now that land doesn't quite pencil (for most businesses) vs some other close by areas, at least in the Manufacturing/Industrial/Commercial space unless you are doing 10+ acre lots. Or at least that's what we are seeing. 

Either way, amazing vision on that long term land purchase in that area. Its like as if you bought land west of Cornelius pass 20 years ago. You are 100% right, going to be amazing for you kids in 2030+.


Post: ADUs legal everywhere?

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Gary L Wallman:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

Most people can barely afford what they've got, so it's typically only people with money that can afford to build an ADU and then they'll rent it for a high price.

I'm a fan of less-restrictive laws, but have reservations about the long-term impact. When you double the number of residents on 25% of the lots, that's a big increase in parking. How does it impact traffic flow? Pollution? Landfill? Water and electric demands? Wastewater treatment? And it may work well in an upper-class community where people are better citizens. Population density and low-income do not produce good results.

Anway, I hope it works.

Nathan as for the new ADU rules Portland is the poster child for this as well as most of Oregon.. I can do an ADU here in Lake Oswego and if I put a covenant on it that its a true granny unit direct relative going to live in it then NO permit fee's If I am going to rent it permit for a ADU is about 50k in our market so thats before you put a spade in the ground. Portland Metro has very high density rules and has had for years so its already here.. I built 3 homes in city of Portland in 2019/2020 it was a 40X100 lot and I put 3 SFR's on it 2 were attached and one was free standing.. zoning did NOT ALLOW for any off road parking.. I wanted to go under and have parking below but that was not allowed the city planners want people to take metro and ride bikes .. so yes you look at the street and its a mess when those 3 units bring 3 to 6 cars with them and no place to park .. the laws are changing now to get even more density in these areas of SFR.. Every lot now can have a duplex.. So you can imagine in areas were you have stately 1 to 3 million dollar homes and someone all of a sudden wants to build a duplex LOL.. not popular.. I just sold one in the Historic district close to downtown and the investors is putting ADU in Basement building a garage with ADU above then on the side lot another ADU.. and that house was basically a tear down I sold for 700k.. so to make the math work he is going to be in this 1.2 at least and now you have the main house an adu above garage an Adu in basement and the other adu.. so rents will all be well over 2k per door to make that work.. so affordable Na planners and city fathers puff their chest out about how great they are doing proving additional housing YA..

Jay,

A 50,000 dollar permit fee for an ADU is freaking obscene. Why do taxpayers tolerate this nonsense?

Then our politicians wonder why there are homeless people on the sidewalk in front of their businesses.

Give me a break. Throw these people out of office immediately!

Gary

Gary they hit us from every angle..  ON my phase 3 of the current project  30 of 90 new builds.  we have to build a 1200 foot pedestrian path that hooks up to nowhere.. just in case sometime in the next 50 the trails go through but thats probably 100k..  And now the Fire Marshall again after the fact.. wants 1000 feet of 8 inch water main outside of our project there would be zero homes protected with this water line. thats 100k.. so right there on 30 lots about 8k a lot increase.. then in this city add 30k for permits and other 50k per lot to put in sewer water power etc to their standards and well you have 88k per lot round up to 100k because its always more.. Before you even bought the dirt.. so how are we to build 200k affordable homes in our area.. add in 150 a foot for vertical and now cost is right at 400k or a little more per house.  add in carrying costs and builder profit and you can see why a 2k sq ft home needs to sell for about 600k in our market to have a reasonable return on risk .   

In charleston SC permits are 5k per house total although they just hit us with some extension stuff we never had to do a few years back but still.  so 500k is starter in the inner city..  

I am building in N. FLA right now and we can put out a dinger  1200 sq ft 3 2 brand new and make a profit at 225k. investors are buying these up from us.. as they are nice rentals.. really bullet proof houses with very little wood ..  and modern codes. strong demand and I can see why given other markets.   

Its why this whole RE game is so very market specific  one size simply does not fit all.  And U folks that have a sand box filled with homes you can buy for far less than replacement cost your in the drivers seat when you choose correctly.. If I lived there thats what i would be doing :)


Gary,

If you think what Jay is saying is scary, let me tell you it's the tip of the iceberg. Rock climbing gym project derailed because planners want sidewalk ramp up to building for wheelchair accessibility form street level on elevated site, Bend OR. Only way to do it was eat up property with switchback or elevator. Project tips over budget, doesn't get built. Hillsboro OR adopts development code requiring 3/4 street improvements or 20 year warranty of existing street/sidewalks on development. Good luck proving that it has 20 years of lift left. Hope you owned a flag lot, and not something that's narrow against a street. Kills projects left and right. How do you build less than 50k square feet and not get destroyed by the half mil in public improvements you have to do? They built the city out, increased their tax base, and now just want to let the big whales in. Dundee OR, 3/4 street installed from intersection to railroad behind building that has no crossing. I mean project still went because the business expanding was booming, but that was 125k of useless pavement. I think the only use it has is when the city parks vehicles on it...

The fire/life/safety (aka fire marshal) games that Jay is talking about area a universal constant in OR.

There were some earlier comments in this thread regarding local vs federal, and lets be honest, incentives are what matter local or not. Cities/Counties can be as inviting or not inviting as they want and the average person has no idea.

Post: Multifamily Price Evaluation in the time of Rent Moratoriums

Roarke Van BruntPosted
  • Contractor
  • Portland OR
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24
I have been looking at small (1-4 unit) multifamily deals in Portland Oregon for the last year or so.  When doing do diligence I have frequently been running into expense and income reports that show large sections of non-payment, I assume due to COVID. However, it seems that few people if anybody is factoring in the increased non-payments into their pricing as they would if their vacancy rates crept up.  I see the non payment as worse than a vacancy since you still have obligations as the landlord.  Most sellers, brokers, and agents keep talking about valuations without acknowledging the lack of revenue/rents on the paper they handed over.  How is everybody else dealing with this when it comes to deal-making and valuation?