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All Forum Posts by: Rio Peterson

Rio Peterson has started 2 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: What book(s) changed your life?

Rio PetersonPosted
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I've been reading so many real estate books that teach how to be a better investor, but now I'm trying to find books that help someone be a better person by becoming mentally strong. My favorite (as well as a common crowd favorite) is currently Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki.

Those who read this would agree: this book was mind-blowing and was a huge game changer. It completely changed the way I think and it motivated me to accomplish bigger and better things.

Now, I'd like to know: what book(s) would you attribute your success? They don't necessarily have to be real estate related

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

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Originally posted by @Joe P.:

I may never partner with anyone because of this...

...but if I'm going to partner with someone, every card available better be on that table. We are going to take our time to walk through an agreement. A partnership needs to be beneficial to both parties. And document(s) need to be drawn up alluding to that fact.

Oh, and I better know you like the back of my hand, or else I'm not going to do it.

If this guy wants to take the time to "lay out the framework" and you get your answers from it, then great. I work in operations for a living and my gut would say slow down, talk through this, don't put a timeline on it. We need to vet this out so its mutually beneficial. If he tries to talk to you into moving quickly and doing whatever he wants, then it tells me one of two things -- either he doesn't have his stuff together and I don't want to partner with someone like that, and/or he's playing me, and I don't want to partner with someone like that.

I may have unrealistic expectations for a partnership, I don't know. The only partnership I've ever been in is what I have with my wife, and I trust that woman more than myself.

I was given 48hrs to decide, so his intentions could even have been a mix of not having his stuff together and wanting to play me. He needed funds for his next deal, which was expiring the day we met (supposedly). I tried to postpone viewing his properties to the following week, but he said either we see the houses now, or the deal falls through. He needed to give them some kind of confirmation that he was buying the property that day. As for being played, his 11 bankruptcy filings told me that he is capable of taking the funds and running away. 

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

Rio PetersonPosted
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Originally posted by @Charles Worth:

@Rio Peterson

Just thought I would chime in and I assume you know this but if you are looking to leave your job you would not have a securities license. You can only hold a license if you are employed with a regulated BD as far as I know (by license I assume you mean registered person). Something that happened in your past like a bankrupcy or other issues would need to be disclosed if you wanted a license again but with a certain timeframe of not working you will not have a license. 

Also, I would point out that, at least in my opinion, it could just be like cold calling brokers. They always tell you that you will be a millionaire bla bla bla. One in X number actully are and the rest flame out. Its worth it for the guy speaking to you because you are going to make money for them. Its not like he offered you 50/50 split for doing nothing. You are doing the work as I understand it and getting rewards and not even in cash but in deal credit right? In almost all deals the money gets paid back first, so you only get paid if the deal does really well. Yes you can make a ton of money, you can also make 0. Its very risky. Like commission sales poeple its just high risk high reward. Least that is how I look at it. I think the assumption that many have that all RE makes money and lots of it so everyone gets rich is nuts. That is the real issue and why not everyone, in fact very few, would probably jump at the offer as I read it. 

He could also just be a predator hard to know without being there. 

 Yes, if I leave my BD, the licenses will be inactive and I have 2 years to find another BD before I would have to re-test for all of the licenses. I just got all my licenses, so I'm not willing to give those up that easily. 

The profit part is what I thought was a little strange, but I could be wrong. I know that all who invested gets paid if the deal does well, but it got complicated because I don't have money to contribute. Rather, I would be used to manage the flip. The setup this guy did was that as he was pooling together from other investors, he would include in the total pool an amount equal to my current salary/benefits/bonus/etc to pay me (as a way to convince me to leave my job). In addition to this guaranteed profit, I would get a % of whatever profit is left over. 

I don't know too much about partnership payment structures, but when I imagined being on the receiving end as the contributing investor, it didn't sit right with me that we're guaranteeing a set profit to one person whereas everyone else isn't. Doesn't seem fair. I understand if everyone will get a set % of the profit (and the person managing the flip would get a higher %), but he wanted to give me a set $ AND a set %. Is this a normal practice? 

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

Rio PetersonPosted
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Originally posted by @Melonie McCallum:
@Rio Peterson I am glad you reconsidered not working with this gentleman and had the smarts to ask questions before entering into this partnership. However, there are legit partnership opprotunities out there. I have a situation whereby I do not have the money to complete a reno and would love to have a partner. I am sure our audience can think of many scenarios where a partnership woumd be beneficial. Good luck!

 Absolutely! I'm still very open to partnerships, so this experience made me a little smarter on how to approach them. 

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

Rio PetersonPosted
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Originally posted by @Constancia R.:

I'm going to quote you: "it felt a little inappropriate".

It felt a little creepy to me, and I'm not even over there with you...and he is pressing you, too? If it's a great deal, the one with the goods does not need to push because he or she will know that a taker is coming soon.

Yuck. And he was the one who approached *you*? And he has a perfect track record of fiscal irresponsibility? Personally, I'd sit on the sidelines and watch him from far off.

Unfortunately, I've met many individuals from my various workplaces who made inappropriate comments like that - usually in passing so  I brushed it off. But he was using it as a reason to bring me on board which crossed a line. 

Well, I approached him at the networking event and after hearing about some deals he had lined up (note that it was a closing table event), I asked if there was anything I can do to help (this was before anything sketchy started happening). Then, it quickly escalated throughout the day as he became overly eager and offered me the world, BUT was forcing me to make the quick decision. Totally not okay..

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

Rio PetersonPosted
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Originally posted by @Ruben Anthony:

As everyone else has mentioned in this post I would agree with them and walk away. Remember if something sounds to good to be true it usually is. This sounds fishy on so many levels. I'm more concerned with that fact that hes trying to string you in and give you a 48 hour timeline to decide. I mean let's be honest that's a huge decision to make in such a short period of time. At the end of the day I feel as if your gut instinct is already telling you to walk away. Listen to your gut. As a community we whole hardly support you. When declining his offer be polite but firm.

Agreed. I politely declined his offer, saying this is a huge decision that I can't make in 48 hours and I want to do real estate part-time to get a feel for the industry. He came back quite aggressively saying it can't be done part-time, which I know isn't true. I've talked to plenty of other investors at local networking events who did it part time for a while before diving in. Also, very grateful for the BP community! Good to know there are great people out there!

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

Rio PetersonPosted
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Originally posted by @Nate Marshall:

Just the fact that he brought your looks into it is sexual harassment. A lot of red flags. There are many legit people you can work with especially with your licenses.

Agreed. If he mentioned it once, I could have brushed it off. But he brought it up at least 4 more times throughout the day. Very inappropriate. And absolutely. I don't expect everyone to know the restrictions of the securities licenses since that's my responsibility anyway, but whoever I end up partnering with should respect what I legally can and cannot do. He had no regard for it whatsoever

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

Rio PetersonPosted
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Nina Hayden:

All I kept thinking to myself is a repeat of strawman from the 2006-2007 crazy shenanigans that went down and cost a lot of peoples lives and money. Run. And don’t even entertain this anymore. Block this guy for good.  And keep an eye out. I’m feisty so I would have eaten him alive with questioning him.  The nerve....

I was deep into HML in those days 06 07 and I finally bought the Accurint ( Lexus Nexus) mortgage fraud module ( not available to the public) and boy you would be shocked .

also you would be shocked at whats behind the curtain on so many in the real estate field..  just look at this wholesale thing going on no licenses no nothing.. you talk about financial shenanigans.. you can bet there is a lot goes on when you turn just anyone loss on real estate and financing.   

That's so unsettling and definitely will make me extra cautious. Considering how strict the securities industry is with its fiduciary responsibilities, I assumed real estate was the same way. But I'm realizing more and more that there are lots of holes in the system, so it's  feeling almost like the Wild West! 

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

Rio PetersonPosted
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Originally posted by @Nina Hayden:

All I kept thinking to myself is a repeat of strawman from the 2006-2007 crazy shenanigans that went down and cost a lot of peoples lives and money. Run. And don’t even entertain this anymore. Block this guy for good.  And keep an eye out. I’m feisty so I would have eaten him alive with questioning him.  The nerve....

How do those people sleep at night knowing they intentionally hurt someone this way? Horrible.. And agreed, I told him I'm out, and he responded very aggressively. He essentially said it's impossible to invest part-time and his process is simple/foolproof, but I HAVE to qualify myself as an investor with a HML first. Total BS to me. I'm usually feisty too - especially in my area of expertise - but I'm still learning which are the right questions to ask. This experience definitely helped!

Post: Is potential partner a fraud?

Rio PetersonPosted
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

i don't mean to be rude here but how are you even considering this?? It sounds like a harvey Weinstein ish situation.  

Totally fair! I'm asking myself the same thing. Initially, I was thrilled that someone offered to partner with me and was willing to teach me how to successfully carry out deals. Unfortunately, I was naive enough to not know the red flags, but it started feeling very off when he was making big promises that I know were unrealistic, like becoming a millionaire in 18 months. I don't believe in the "get rich quick" schemes. Also, I know to never partner with someone without doing a background check on them. When I did my due diligence over the weekend, I realized the full extent of how much trouble I could have gotten myself into.