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All Forum Posts by: Richelle Bryan

Richelle Bryan has started 13 posts and replied 74 times.

Post: Realtor Representing Multiple Clients on One House

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Christopher Phillips:

@Richelle Bryan

Not impossible, but doesn't usually happen.

in a one pony town, maybe. Even a very good agent might only handle 4-5 buyers at a time. Most have 1 or 2 at a time, which is why they want buyers to work exclusively with them. The chance of showing the exact same house in the same town to more than one of a few current clients isn't going to be very likely. I rarely have buyers even looking in the same zip code at the same time.

 Did not realize that thanks so much Chris!

Post: Realtor Representing Multiple Clients on One House

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

What is the down side of dealing with an agent representing the seller and buyer beyond a potentially higher price?

Post: Realtor Representing Multiple Clients on One House

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Daria B.:

Is the question multiple offers per same property or just representing multiple buyers for any property?

Agents will represent multiple buyers for different properties and I have not seen that they would be exclusive to one buyer. That would not be prudent as a business. If they were exclusive to one buyer with no other work then they would not be in business very long. 

As far as representing multiple buyers/sellers for a given property, you would need to look to your state laws. Here in Florida it is assumed “transactional” unless an agreement for exclusivity is agreed upon. Florida also does not allow dual representation.

 Cute dogs! Thanks Daria I will look at the state law. 

I was referring to 123 Main street being on the market. And Realtor presents the seller of 123 Main with offers from buyer A, and buyer B. Meanwhile Buyers A and B have no idea the realtor is sort of going against them with each other. Essentially can an unethical realtor start a bidding war between Buyers A and B on 123 Main street even if there are no other offers from any other buyers of any realtor. 

Post: Realtor Representing Multiple Clients on One House

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

Does the same real estate agent typically present multiple offers from multiple people or do they offer just one client at a time for one property? I ask because a realtor has asked me to be exclusive, so my first thought was are YOU exclusive with me?? :D

Post: Direct Mail to source multifamily deals

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Michael Le:
Originally posted by @Richelle Bryan:

Owners of 60+ unit MFH are generally more sophisticated. A lot of them are syndicators/funds/corporations, etc, so they know their best bet for getting the most in their sale is through a selling broker. That's not always the case but generally it is, so your best bet for getting larger MFH is through a commercial broker that specializes in MFH. And yes, obviously way less buyers than SFH but also way less inventory so the competition is still very fierce.

 Great to know thanks so much Michael!!

Post: Direct Mail to source multifamily deals

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Adam Kessler:

@Richelle Bryan

@Michael Le said it perfectly. I do not own any large multifamily (yet), but I was working with an established syndicator on finding these deals. From being on BP for a while, it feels like there was a time when direct mail could have worked on some of these larger deals. Based on my own experience and the experience of others shared here, in today's market it's a far less successful sourcing channel than commercial brokers.

 Got it, thanks Adam!

Post: Direct Mail to source multifamily deals

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Adam Kessler:

I did a yellow postcard direct mail campaign over the last six months of 2017 - 600+ pieces of mail every three weeks, 8 mailings total. I was targeting properties of 60+ units.... I got ONE call (from an owner of a 2016 build... great).

After absolutely no success in the larger space I began targeting a new market this year with a direct mail campaign focused on 8-60 unit properties, 30-100% equity (or unknown). My first mailing was 1,000 letters and I got ~8 phone calls. Same thing with the second mailing. The smaller space seems to have wayyy more success with direct mail. My third mailing went out last Friday.

As far as verbiage, my letters read very similar to yours with a mention of having "the experience and the funds to close".

A few things to note...

1. I like to include a return address on the first mailing so I can get rid of bad addresses and not waste money continuing to mail them.

2. Watch out for condo owners. I pulled my list from listsource.com and got a handful of calls from condo owners totally clueless about why they received a postcard from me (luckily, only one called me crazy!). Make sure to delete any addresses with a matching Owner and Property address. Sounds obvious, but it was something I missed.

I am nowhere near that level  (yet!) but my question is how do people get the 60+ properties then? I know it's still competitive at that level but there has to be way less buyers than those buying sfhs, duplexes etc?

Post: Direct Mail to source multifamily deals

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Nick B.:

@Richelle Bryan, yes, all owners are receiving calls and letters almost daily. That's what those few I could speak with told me anyway. 

The "trick" is two fold: 1) your letter has to stand out and attract attention somehow; and 2) your message has to reach them at the live-changing moment (e.g., divorce, death, bankruptcy, etc.). At that point they may be more motivated to sell and care less about the highest price they can get. 

 I see thanks Nik! This helps a lot.

Post: Investing or buying cashflow?

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21
Originally posted by @Chase Gochnauer:
Originally posted by @Richelle Bryan:
Originally posted by @Chase Gochnauer:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Chase Gochnauer  your the perfect guy to make this work in that asset class. you live there work there probably self manage.. your in the industry etc etc.

although the BRRR is still no money in the deal.. and those that do that if they got a problem they will walk to.. its only their credit they lose no cash. Just saying.

again why I like to get these things paid for in 10 years or less.. your in it 7 years you kind of burnt out but you look at your mortgage and see you only have 3 more years not 23 years and you tend to stick it out  :)

I don't like the management part so I hired a PM when I had 6 units. I'm at 130 now. About 30 SFR, 30-40 in 2-12 units, and one large 72 unit. I like finding the deals and do enjoy managing the rehabs. I get them rent-ready and then hand off to PM and generally don't deal with them anymore unless there's any major cap-ex type issues. Then it's just a matter of looking at your P&L each month to ensure repairs aren't eating you alive. It definitely reduces my burn-out. Delegation is key.

 Can you please give the abbreviated road map [if you don't mind] from 6 to 130? That's great!

I'll say that I'm pretty lucky to have another business that does well that allows me some solid working capital to continue to grow. I bought my first 9 houses cash. I then put together a small presentation for some local banks on where I sat today, where I wanted to be in a few years, and what I needed to do to get there. I picked the one I liked best and I then got a LOC on those 6 to start doing BRRR. I was doing 1-2 houses a month but still wasn't the speed I wanted, so every couple of months as the capital became available I would buy a duplex or something as well that didn't need much work to keep my unit growth up. I found a commercial property, 14k SF office building that I then purchased outright, spent a year rehabbing and renting and used the equity from that as my primary source for my 71 unit I just purchased. I was at 9 units only about 2.5 years ago. 95% of my financing is with local banks.

Do not neglect another source of solid income, whether that be a job or an alternate business. Tax returns are critical to getting loans, and seed money is also important. I think the BRRR method is great, but you have to be prepared to get your hands dirty. My background is primarily foreclosure maintenance, basic construction, and being a Realtor. Each area was great education for finding deals and rehabbing to rent, so this is the area I've chosen to really focus on.

My growth plan was ambitious, but having that goal is important to me. Each year I set a goal as to where I want to be at the end of that year.

 Thanks so much Chase! You've done well!

Richelle

Post: Direct Mail to source multifamily deals

Richelle BryanPosted
  • Investor
  • Jackson Heights, NY
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 21

This may be a silly question, but I am new to the DM process and excited to jump in. Does it make sense to contact owners in a hot market? Aren't they bombarded with these letters/postcards all the time? Or is it that in a hot market this is the only way since each half decent MLS deal have 5 offers within the first hour of posting?

Richelle