Originally posted by @Stephen Brown:
Originally posted by @Sudhanshu Singha:
@Stephen Brown I would recommend trying to invest in other areas with a much lower property tax rate since that seems to be the reason you are finding it so hard to find a property to cash flow. Even with a 33% downpayment (I am assuming 150K purchase price and 50k down payment) it does not cash flow well and any type of major repairs like replacing HAVAC or Roof will wipe out your cash flow for years. I would also recommend trying to learn as much as you can about the local contractors who are reliable from local investors, learning the eviction process and the forms involved, and try to manage your first property by yourself instead of using a PM company. With the property taxes as high as they are in your area it would be easier to cash flow if you manage your own properties instead of paying a PM to manage.
I also agree with @Joe Cassandra in 2020 its getting its getting harder and harder to find cash flowing properties and you will have to be looking much harder and most likely having to deal with multiple bidders for deals that have a decent cash flow from day one so it makes it even more important to be able be self manage your properties by yourself.
Here is my analysis which is slightly different than yours and has some assumptions with a lower vacancy percentage (5%), no property management costs, and a 50k down payment to give you an idea of the Cash Flow and CoC return if you managed the property by yourself. I do think the 5% vacancy rate is realistic if you do not have to evict a tenant and are able to lease the property within 2 weeks or a little longer.
(Self Managed)
Rent Income=13680
Expenses= 10648
(Property Taxes= $3254)
(Repairs= $1109)
(Insurance= $777)
(Vacancy= $720)
(Debt Service= $4,788)
Net Income (Year): $3032
Net Income (Monthly): $252
CoC Return: 6.06%
Thank you for your input. I just bought "Landlording on Autopilot" by Mike Butler. I am hoping that will help me learn the eviction process. I will be self managing but I'm putting down 11% because that's what I would be paying for if I had to get a property manager around here. What do you mean by learn about contractors? I am assuming you mean find the best ones in the area to help me and learn how to do construction and estimations from them?
I appreciate your example. Thank you!
You are correct to include management costs even if you self manage. Some will count that as zero to make the deal look better but its a job you are hiring yourself to do on top of the whether the investment is good or not. You are simply paying yourself as opposed to some one else. Some people enjoy managing their properties and if you are good at it and take it seriously, you can. I'm going to give an anecdotal example of why at least some people shouldn't.
"A person I know" I will call him Bob, bought a house next door to his own because his neighbor expressed interest in selling so Bob was able to buy off market. It WAS a good purchase price. Everything else he did was questionable. He didnt want to "waste" money on management so he didnt hire one, didn't account for the cost of managing it himself nor did he account for vacancies OR maintenance AND was mowing the lawn for free to ensure it was done to his standard. He STILL was showing negative cash flow because his biggest fear was interest so he took out a quite short mortgage. If he accounted for everything else, he was negative cash flowing HARD! but this is about self management...
He would hear nothing of my recommendation that he used a manager and listed it for rent. He probably listed if slightly below market rents for the area especially considering he was mowing the lawn. Market rents alone would have paid for a portion of the cost of management, maybe up to half. The real fun started about 3.5 years in... on his third tenant...she just quit paying. He kept letting it slide. She would cough up a couple hundred bucks once I think but mostly offered empty promises of "soon" This went for about 3 months before Bob finally thought "I think she might be lying. I'll look into this eviction thing" He posted the 10 day notice to quit. She said she would pay up so Bob waited about 20-25 days to actually go to the next step when it was apparent she wasn't going to. Some of his reasoning was that he was too busy with work. When Bob finally went to court and gave her a date to vacate, she said she would move out, no problems. THAT day came and went and he never actually asked the Sheriff to help evict her. The tenant finally left only because the tenants sister convinced her it was the right thing to do. He never bothered to follow up with the court for the judgement amount so he'll never see any of that money. He saved himself a hundred bucks a month or so on management fees at the cost of SEVERAL months of non payment.
He sold the house once it was empty because "This renting thing doesn't work" making a small amount on the sale purely because of market appreciation. Thank goodness she didn't do any physical damage to the property.
Some people can self manage. Bob cannot. Those that do, should calculate the cost of their time just like any management company.