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All Forum Posts by: Lucas Thomas

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Quote from @Jordan Fair:

Hello everyone! Im being told different things by different lenders on seasoning periods for cash out refi's. Some lenders say 6 months, some tell me 3 months, some say me no seasoning period to do a cash out refi. Is there a general rule of thumb on timeline to do a cash out refi if you buy a property equity from the start? Are there any laws on doing a cash out within 6 months? Within 3 months? Any insight on this would be appreciated! Thank you

Hello!

I'm a mortgage broker who works exclusively with investors and this comes up a lot.

There are no "Hard and Fast" rules for the seasoning period for a Refi as there are requirements on qualified mortgage (QM) products (Think FHA, Conventional, etc.), but no requirements on NonQM. Which is why you get so many different answers from lenders.

In general however, here is some average standards that pop up.

For a standard rate/term refi (No Cash out), they will have lower seasoning terms than a Cash out. Sometimes they have none, but usually they don't like to go below 6 months due to how loans are bought and sold on the secondary market with traditional lenders

For Cash-outs, due to risk and appraisal issues, they don't like to go below 1 year seasoning period. Especially the appraiser issues, appraisers really don't like to move the needle that much on what the last appraiser did unless you have done major renovation which causes the property to not appraise and kill the deal. I call this "Appraiser Risk" and its very real in my experience and I usually don't advise people to refi within a year unless you have proof of major renovations.

Short answer is.... Yes, all those terms are true, but the lenders dictate the seasoning period based on their lender guidelines.

Quick caveat: I usually don't like lenders with no seasoning periods as they make you pay for that risk and resale fees through Discount Points and Higher interest rates. It's not free.

L. Thomas
Quote from @Lisa H.:

@Dominic Rosato

I did found a pretty good realtor off here.  I totally want to respect his time but also, what is appropriate? What isn't? I tend to not want to bother him all that much. I am also buying into the $80-150k range so I understand his commission is small. Honestly I'd like to do as much research for myself instead of going through him for every little thing.  Do you think it's okay that I call the seller's agent directly finding out all the information for potential properties?  Is that okay to do? 


 Rule #1 of Real Estate Agents: Never bypass your real estate agent. 

Rule #2 of Real Estate Agents: Respectfully Annoy your agents and be blunt about telling them to tell you that your being "too" annoying.

Rule#3: If your agent won't take a deal because the "Commission is too small" then I wouldn't use that agent. Agent relationships should be life-long and commission size is unimportant.

I've been a Real Estate Agent for a decade in Arizona and love taking my clients calls. You teach them everything on the first deal and then they know everything for the next one! 

Quote from @Ophelia Wilson:

@Lucas Thomas I’ll leave this 1 tibbit. I am a Chickfil A girl at heart and let’s ask the question. Does the owner of Chickfil A works there? Check those drive thru lines, back offices or even the food lines and let me know what you think. I love their business model and as the world see, it works. Real Estate is definitely not a 1 shoe fits all and I’ve seen a lot and will say I prefer being very involved even if I’m faraway. People can be creative and being involved and hand on. I use the terms landlords and slumlords a lot, and I will say there is a very fine line. Many are landlords and when you check the state of things their paying tenants are really just living in the slums and most are ok with it because that’s all they can afford. 
my first rental I bought 12 years ago as a PFC in the Army . Was I always there? No. I left 2 years after purchasing however I have had numerous property managers that miss a lot of things that I had questions about and you would be surprised how I catch things at times. We have a few properties in the lower part of killeen and they are the ones that have costs us the most all others the tenants stay there for their duration of their orders and often times when leaving brings someone one else looking to rent because of how they are being treated. We even have non active duty people that we have even offered to sell to after being there for 10 years and they just continue to pay rent even with rent being at market value 🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️. Do I self manage all my properties in all honesty no however all tenants know they have 2 agents to call for stuff and I will tell you I’ve had instances where they placed work orders and for days they couldn’t get their stuff fixed and as they give me a call someone is there that same day.  It comes down to what your preference is and what you are looking to provide. 

  I'm a Costco Guy. 

Cheap, Quality goods in Bulk and my members(like my tenants) are "Lifers".

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This is a very complicated situation and you will need to consult a commercial mortgage broker (Like myself)

Commercial properties have completely different loan terms than residential and are rarely 30 years fixed like your accustom to. Many times their much shorter and the rules are very very different.

Plus 12 units is a much larger project than 3 units. Technically 2 as you live in one.

So you must gut check yourself to make sure you have the time and the capacity to take on such a project and deal with 5 times the tenant issues.

You need to build your team and then ask yourself if its worth it....

1. Commercial Agent - due diligence the buy it correctly

2. Commercial Mortgage Broker - Can you get the terms you need to buy and even make a property make sense?

3. Property manager - do you the temperament and time to manage yourself? If not, do you have a property manager who won't run it into the ground?

4. Self - is that the best place to invest? Does other states and opportunities make more sense and money?

Once you have all 4 checkboxed. The answer might be no.

L.Thomas


 Have you considered a Cash-Out Refi on the Triplex? 

1. Pay no taxes as its a non-taxable event.

2. Pull out cash to buy new house and invest in others

3. Keep your Triplex in the Portfolio to cash-flow and give to your children. 

4. Get a 30 year fixed loan 

This is usually my go-to strategy. I never sell anything I buy. I always convert to the Real Estate Portfolio. 

Thanks Lucas. I did consider the cash out refinance but my current rate of interest is at 2.5% with another 27 years left on the loan with a current mortgage left little under 500k so cash out refinancing will end up putting on a much higher interest rate. Would you recommend taking a HELOC instead for my subsequent investment?

 DISCLAIMER!: I am speaking in Hypotheticals/Opinions and not GIVING Financial ADVICE!

Now that we have the disclaimer out of the way! HA. 

You could do a HELOC (Floating Interest), Hybrid HELOC (Fixed at EACH time of Draw but the draw rate is based on the Interest at the time of Draw), or a 2nd Mortgage (Permanently Fixed at Origination)

I prefer Hybrid HELOCs as the rates are fixed at the time of draw and that stability allows you to plan for the future. 

HELOCs are great as they only take interest when you draw from it. However they are sometimes dangerous as the Floating Interest can crush you if the rates move up or give you relief if rates go down. How do you plan around that? 

And Fixed 2nd Mortgages are fine, but lack the flexibility of a Hybrid HELOC and you have to take 100% of the cash now and pay the interest on it.

So it depends on your needs and level of Risk. 

Thanks a lot for unpacking those diverse set of HELOC options.

 No Worries!

I am a Mortgage Broker who helps people get these types of loans all the time. 

I hate selling and LOVE moving paper (Refinance). 

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Quote from @Lucas Thomas:
Quote from @Lucas Thomas:

This is a very complicated situation and you will need to consult a commercial mortgage broker (Like myself)

Commercial properties have completely different loan terms than residential and are rarely 30 years fixed like your accustom to. Many times their much shorter and the rules are very very different.

Plus 12 units is a much larger project than 3 units. Technically 2 as you live in one.

So you must gut check yourself to make sure you have the time and the capacity to take on such a project and deal with 5 times the tenant issues.

You need to build your team and then ask yourself if its worth it....

1. Commercial Agent - due diligence the buy it correctly

2. Commercial Mortgage Broker - Can you get the terms you need to buy and even make a property make sense?

3. Property manager - do you the temperament and time to manage yourself? If not, do you have a property manager who won't run it into the ground?

4. Self - is that the best place to invest? Does other states and opportunities make more sense and money?

Once you have all 4 checkboxed. The answer might be no.

L.Thomas


 Have you considered a Cash-Out Refi on the Triplex? 

1. Pay no taxes as its a non-taxable event.

2. Pull out cash to buy new house and invest in others

3. Keep your Triplex in the Portfolio to cash-flow and give to your children. 

4. Get a 30 year fixed loan 

This is usually my go-to strategy. I never sell anything I buy. I always convert to the Real Estate Portfolio. 

Thanks Lucas. I did consider the cash out refinance but my current rate of interest is at 2.5% with another 27 years left on the loan with a current mortgage left little under 500k so cash out refinancing will end up putting on a much higher interest rate. Would you recommend taking a HELOC instead for my subsequent investment?

 DISCLAIMER!: I am speaking in Hypotheticals/Opinions and not GIVING Financial ADVICE!

Now that we have the disclaimer out of the way! HA. 

You could do a HELOC (Floating Interest), Hybrid HELOC (Fixed at EACH time of Draw but the draw rate is based on the Interest at the time of Draw), or a 2nd Mortgage (Permanently Fixed at Origination)

I prefer Hybrid HELOCs as the rates are fixed at the time of draw and that stability allows you to plan for the future. 

HELOCs are great as they only take interest when you draw from it. However they are sometimes dangerous as the Floating Interest can crush you if the rates move up or give you relief if rates go down. How do you plan around that? 

And Fixed 2nd Mortgages are fine, but lack the flexibility of a Hybrid HELOC and you have to take 100% of the cash now and pay the interest on it.

So it depends on your needs and level of Risk. 

Quote from @Lucero Cruz Narino:
Quote from @Lucas Thomas:
Quote from @Lucero Cruz Narino:

I am pretty new doing wholesaling and I just got my first property under contract in Florida ( Sebring ).

I tried to place few ads on facebook, I call a bunch of builders and I skip traced about 40 cash buyers in that area and nothing so far.

I dont know from now what else I could do it. In my contract i gave 45 days closing time ( 2 days ago ) , so I dont have too much time also.

am I allow to do listing on MLS in Florida ??

any help is appreciatted.

A wholesaler is only as good as his buyers list.

You need to build your buyers list or find more well established wholesalers and basically rent their list for a fee. Obviously they want paid.

That's going to be your best option on such a short notice.A wholesaler is only as good as his buyers list.

You need to build your buyers list or find more well established wholesalers and basically rent their list for a fee. Obviously they want paid.

That's going to be your best option on such a short notice.

L. Thomas

 Good to know that , now I need to know how I find those wholesale who sell those buyer list for lands 


 Check Meetup.com for wholesaler Meetups, Call "Bandit Signs" - Those signs on the side of the road that say "Fix N Flip for Sale, Call This Number" as those are Wholesalers building their buyers list, Google "Wholesalers in Florida" and call those companies, and just start looking for them. Once you start searching, you will amazed how quickly they show up. 

Quote from @Lucas Thomas:

This is a very complicated situation and you will need to consult a commercial mortgage broker (Like myself)

Commercial properties have completely different loan terms than residential and are rarely 30 years fixed like your accustom to. Many times their much shorter and the rules are very very different.

Plus 12 units is a much larger project than 3 units. Technically 2 as you live in one.

So you must gut check yourself to make sure you have the time and the capacity to take on such a project and deal with 5 times the tenant issues.

You need to build your team and then ask yourself if its worth it....

1. Commercial Agent - due diligence the buy it correctly

2. Commercial Mortgage Broker - Can you get the terms you need to buy and even make a property make sense?

3. Property manager - do you the temperament and time to manage yourself? If not, do you have a property manager who won't run it into the ground?

4. Self - is that the best place to invest? Does other states and opportunities make more sense and money?

Once you have all 4 checkboxed. The answer might be no.

L.Thomas


 Have you considered a Cash-Out Refi on the Triplex? 

1. Pay no taxes as its a non-taxable event.

2. Pull out cash to buy new house and invest in others

3. Keep your Triplex in the Portfolio to cash-flow and give to your children. 

4. Get a 30 year fixed loan 

This is usually my go-to strategy. I never sell anything I buy. I always convert to the Real Estate Portfolio. 

Quote from @Lucero Cruz Narino:

I am pretty new doing wholesaling and I just got my first property under contract in Florida ( Sebring ).

I tried to place few ads on facebook, I call a bunch of builders and I skip traced about 40 cash buyers in that area and nothing so far.

I dont know from now what else I could do it. In my contract i gave 45 days closing time ( 2 days ago ) , so I dont have too much time also.

am I allow to do listing on MLS in Florida ??

any help is appreciatted.

A wholesaler is only as good as his buyers list.

You need to build your buyers list or find more well established wholesalers and basically rent their list for a fee. Obviously they want paid.

That's going to be your best option on such a short notice.A wholesaler is only as good as his buyers list.

You need to build your buyers list or find more well established wholesalers and basically rent their list for a fee. Obviously they want paid.

That's going to be your best option on such a short notice.

L. Thomas

The only issue I have with that model is that it doesn't scale and is impossible once you start landlording out of state.

You do the best you can to create the most value for people at the lowest cost. 

That's just the economics of the business once you have more than 10 units.

And most people in this forum, want 100+. 

L. Thomas

 

This is a very complicated situation and you will need to consult a commercial mortgage broker (Like myself)

Commercial properties have completely different loan terms than residential and are rarely 30 years fixed like your accustom to. Many times their much shorter and the rules are very very different.

Plus 12 units is a much larger project than 3 units. Technically 2 as you live in one.

So you must gut check yourself to make sure you have the time and the capacity to take on such a project and deal with 5 times the tenant issues.

You need to build your team and then ask yourself if its worth it....

1. Commercial Agent - due diligence the buy it correctly

2. Commercial Mortgage Broker - Can you get the terms you need to buy and even make a property make sense?

3. Property manager - do you the temperament and time to manage yourself? If not, do you have a property manager who won't run it into the ground?

4. Self - is that the best place to invest? Does other states and opportunities make more sense and money?

Once you have all 4 checkboxed. The answer might be no.

L.Thomas