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All Forum Posts by: Nick O.

Nick O. has started 6 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: STR Cost Seg/Bonus Depreciation Buying with Partner & other non-RE related income ?'s

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Jason Malabute:

1. Yes, you can take advantage of bonus depreciation if you structure it properly, even with a partner, through a simple LLC or partnership agreement. Both partners typically share 50% of the tax benefits.

2. Bonus depreciation applies to offset any income, not just W-2 income, including passive or active real estate income.

3. Yes, if you don’t hold the property long term or exchange it (e.g., through a 1031 exchange), you may have to recapture the depreciation upon sale.

4. Switching from long-term to short-term rental (STR) applies for the full calendar year when calculating depreciation benefits.

5. Using co-hosts may help, but be cautious of the 100-hour requirement for material participation.

Hi Jason, thanks for the response. Can you help clarify "structure it properly", specifically how you would recommend to structure this?

Post: STR Cost Seg/Bonus Depreciation Buying with Partner & other non-RE related income ?'s

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Account Closed:

Hey Nick, 

1. Yes, you can take advantage of bonus depreciation when you partner, typically through a simple LLC or partnership agreement. In a 50/50 partnership, each partner generally receives 50% of the tax benefits. However, if you are pursuing Short-Term Rentals (STRs), each partner must qualify individually for "material participation," which can be more challenging when there is a partner. Material participation usually requires that you work more hours than anyone else involved, including your partner, making this qualification tricky in partnerships.

2. Bonus depreciation is highly beneficial because it can be used to offset any income, not just passive or real estate income. It applies to both W-2 income and other forms of active and passive income, meaning that the STR loophole allows you to leverage depreciation beyond just real estate activity.

3. When selling a property, you will have to recapture the depreciation you've used to offset income, but you don’t pay taxes on suspended depreciation. Suspended losses can be carried forward and used to offset capital gains or depreciation recapture upon the sale of the property. If you perform a 1031 exchange, you may avoid immediate recapture taxes, but long-term holding strategies must account for eventual recapture.

4. Depreciation benefits for a property switching from long-term rental (LTR) to STR apply based on the entire calendar year. Mid-year conversions do not qualify for a partial year calculation of STR depreciation; you must meet the full-year requirements to utilize this tax advantage effectively.

5. To meet the "material participation" rules for STRs, there are multiple ways to qualify, but careful structuring is important. Using co-hosts might help distribute management tasks, but this can complicate your ability to meet the material participation requirements, especially the 100-hour rule. Rotating co-hosts for tax purposes may not make business sense, as it is difficult to find reliable management only to replace them quickly.

Hope that helps! 


 Hey Zachary, thanks for the response. on #1 I keep seeing "challenging" "difficult" and "tricky" but are you able to share the best way to do this?

Post: STR Cost Seg/Bonus Depreciation Buying with Partner & other non-RE related income ?'s

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Michael Plaks:

1. Details depend on how you partner and so on. But generally, in a traditional 50/50 partnership, each partner gets 50% of the tax benefits, too. With STRs, each partner will need to qualify for "material participation" though, and having a partner makes it a lot more difficult.

Same issue: the requirement to work more hours than anybody else, which would include your partner. If you win this comparison, your partner loses.

2. Any income.

3. Correct. Cannot eat the cake and have it, too.

4. Entire year. Mid-year conversion from LTR to STR does not work.

5. You can try this rotation for tax purposes, but it makes no business sense. Finding a capable and trustworthy co-host, only to dump them after a short period of time for tax reasons?

Michael thank you for the response "With STRs, each partner will need to qualify for "material participation" though, and having a partner makes it a lot more difficult."

 how would you suggest to work this?

Post: STR Cost Seg/Bonus Depreciation Buying with Partner & other non-RE related income ?'s

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Sean Graham:

@Nick O.
1. Yes, you can take advantage of it through a simple LLC or partnership agreement.
2. No, STR Loophole makes depreciation useful to offset all active income and passive income
3. You only pay taxes on the depreciation you used to offset other income. You don't pay taxes on suspended depreciation. The suspended losses can used to offset the capital gains from the sale of the property or to offset deprecation recapture. Happy to explain more. 
4. Yes, full calendar year average rental time. 
5. There are multiple ways to qualify for "material participation" but this would help to keep someone else under 100 hours. 

Does this help?

 Hey Sean, thanks for the response as Zachary mentioned below "Material participation usually requires that you work more hours than anyone else involved, including your partner, making this qualification tricky in partnerships." How would you suggest to work this?

Post: STR Cost Seg/Bonus Depreciation Buying with Partner & other non-RE related income ?'s

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

Previous post got deleted/moved by BP so apologies if you have already responded. Have some more complex questions was hoping to get some help with:

1. Is it possible to take advantage of the bonus depreciation if buying multiple STR properties with a business partner? If so what's the best way to structure or creative ways to structure if purchasing multiple homes?

2. Is this only useful for W2 income? Does other non-real estate related business income affect this?

3. If I'm understanding this correctly it mainly makes sense if you either plan on holding the property or doing a 1031 exchange in the future? Otherwise you have to pay back the years of depreciation not used if you sell?

4. If you have an existing property that you've been renting out long term and want to switch it over to an STR to take advantage of this, is the IRS using the full calendar year to avg out the 7 day avg stay?

5. If using co-host to help manage, do you just rotate several so you don't allow them to surpass your 100 hours?

Appreciate the help!

Post: Tax pro fluent in STR cost seg bonus depreciation "loophole" in Phoenix Metro area?

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

I know it's not technically a loophole but looking for a local specialist with this. Appreciate any help.

Post: Anyone use the Homestyle Renovation Mortgage to pre-sell flips?

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

Exploring a new strategy of pre-selling houses to end buyers based on my house designs. Wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with this mortgage product? Goal would be to find a wholesale deal then sell the end buyer at market value and make the remaining profit through the money paid on the rehab. Would appreciate any feedback.. thanks!

Here's a link that explains the loan:
https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2015/11/2...

Post: Incentives for keeping contractor/GC motivated to keep bids low?

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

In my opinion you always have to plan for worst case "what if the contractor get's in a car accident?". I've had situations where I've hired guys and they've either had financial issues or health issues that delayed my jobs. I've also had situations where contractors have taken on too many jobs they could at once. All had good intentions but because I paid them either upfront with deposits or for materials I was handcuffed to their delays. 

Now that I pay for the materials I've mitigated that happening quite a bit and I either pay for labor on weekly draws based on work completed or sometimes in thirds. I've already put in the time to set up accounts with all the vendors in my area so I get the same pricing on materials as my contractor would get, some even better. 

I want this to be a win-win for both the contractor and my company. I just figured some other guys may have some sort of % of profits, bonus structure or % of money saved to motivate the contractor to keep bids fair but as low as possible. Just a little tired of getting other bids then having to play the negotiation game every deal so thought there may be some better options. 

Thanks for all the feedback!

Post: Incentives for keeping contractor/GC motivated to keep bids low?

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

Currently I do buy the materials and get a separate bid for the labor. I've been through a bunch of different contractors so although I can get multiple bids I'm trying to develop a long term relationship with this particular contractor so we don't have the "play the game" with each property if that makes sense. 

Post: Incentives for keeping contractor/GC motivated to keep bids low?

Nick O.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

Contractor currently charges % on total spent which gives him no motivation to keep bids low or fight for better deals with subs/suppliers. Wanted to get some ideas on how I can incentivize him to be motivated to get the job done for as low as possible without obviously cutting corners. Was thinking maybe paying him a % of the total job plus a % of profits but I've hear pro's and cons about giving a % of profits. Another idea was offering a bonus for coming under budget but wanted to see what amount of money would make most sense. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!