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All Forum Posts by: Rebecca Thacker

Rebecca Thacker has started 6 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Real Estate Professional Help - Title Company Owner #689

Rebecca Thacker
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Coming to this community first for some direction/help!  I have read a few articles, listened to BiggerPockets podcast #689, and am currently reading real estate by the numbers. However, I still could use some help with my specific situations. 

Question #1: My father is a majority owner in a title company (its also his full time job) and he holds his real estate license. He doesn't do much buying/selling real estate but works in his title company well over 750 hours, its his primary job, and is well over a 5% owner in the company. Would his company qualify as a real property trader business and him as a real estate professional?  What would he need to do to materially participate in long term rentals he acquires?   We will contact his tax professional before proceeding; however, I was hoping for some help understanding before bringing it to him and sharing BiggerPockets podcast  #689! 

Question #2: My husband is a forester and cruises/inventories timber for a living (owner/operator). He contracts out with big land management companies as well as local real estate agents. Would his business qualify as a real property trader business under management or operations and therefore him as a real estate professional?  Any insights? He also works well over 750 hours, its his full time profession, and owns the business as a sole proprietor. 

Thanks for any help that can be offered with my specifics!

Rebecca

Post: BiggerPockets Book Club Real Estate by the Numbers- Part 2

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Quote from @Alicia Marks:

Welcome to a new week of Real Estate By the Numbers Book Club! I know we have a few that will hopefully join us this week as well since their books have arrived. This is where we started diving into the math! There's always two camps: "I've got a spreadsheet for just the occasion", and "Great, now I have to admit that I DID use algebra as an adult!" Either camp is welcome here! 😊

If you haven't added your thoughts to part 1, you can find the thread here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Please feel free to share your own thoughts and questions regarding this section. What did you agree or disagree with? Did you find any "ah-ha" moments that tied to the previous section? If you prefer, you can also use some of the guided suggestions here. 

1. When looking at debt pay down, do you consider whether the interest is simple or daily compounding? If there are two similar amounts, when and how do you decide which to pay down first?

2. What is your own opportunity cost when it comes to being an investor? Did those factors come into play with how you choose to invest?

3. Do you reinvest the profits back into your business? Is there some type of hybrid of reinvestment you put back? What helped you arrive at that decision?

4. Have you considered expected value in your purchases? Do you calculate expected value as you learn a new market? 

5. Were you surprised at the EV scenario given between the two company investments? For those people that tend to be more risk- averse in their deals, did this change anything for you? Do you utilize a decision tree?

6. Have you taken into account TVM (time value of money) to help negotiate a deal or make a decision? Was there anything in the calculation that proved to be wrong in the end?

7. Have you used the discounted income stream approach to assessing when to sell or hold? Is there a different formula you used? 

8. The side by side analysis of current value between properties is something to consider when evaluating properties. Are there other factors that you would additionally consider before making a final decision?

9. With those of you who like to do owner finance deals, do you find that explaining NPV proves difficult?

10. When deciding on a deal, do you have a set let of calculations you run through to pass each stage of approval? Is IRR a calculation you use regularly?

11. We all want to avoid paying, but when does the tax benefit come into consideration?

12. Do you use accelerated depreciation on all or some of your purchases? What is your baseline to deciding if it is worth taking now? If the TVM concept going to play a part in evaluating when to use accelerated depreciation in the future?

There was lots to chew on in this section, so let's get talking.

I was just telling my husband... I used that high school algebra finally :)! That may be a bit of an exaggeration, but its been a while since I have used a formula outside of excel. 

I am a rookie and I did find the time value of money (TVM) concept nice to be put into math/words. (#6) It took several years to reinvest proceeds from a flip and I knew it was costing me but not how to calculate how much. (#3) I have now reinvested part of the profits and previously paid off school loans with the rest

I am really enjoying the book and I know I will reference these concepts as I look for the best exit strategy for my current acquisition that requires a large remodel. (#11) Additionally, I was able to absorb a lot more information from the Landlord Tax Loopholes RealEstate podcast #689, which was excellent. The book and podcast combined have certainly improved my understanding of when I will see the tax benefits of real estate we hear about. 

Many thanks,

Rebecca

 

Post: Starting out ... again!

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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Rebecca Thacker:

Congratulations on getting back up. Keep at it and you'll find success beyond your expectations.


 Aye, Aye Captain :) 

Post: Starting out ... again!

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Quote from @Scott Trench:

Thanks for sharing all of this, and I am so glad to hear that you are getting back into real estate, and with a strong financial foundation. Best of luck on this next project and hope to see you around the forums more! 


 Thank you! See you in the forums. 

Post: Starting out ... again!

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I'm back!

I am happy to say I am closing on my next investment property tomorrow after years out of the game! This. Is. Big. 

Years ago now I completed a live-in flip, as well as what turned into a more traditional flip. While my first two investments went really well and I enjoyed the challenging work, I found myself stuck in the dreaded analysis paralysis for several reasons.

1. I got married! Holy matrimony...

Getting a more risk-adverse spouse on the same page as you are at the precise moment you need to make a move is a big challenge! Trying to bring my husband along for the real estate ride put added pressure to get a home run deal in a very different market from when I started investing. It certainly didn't help my husband take me seriously when I had shiny object syndrome! One day I'd be looking at out-of-state lake houses for STR, the next day I would be looking in my hometown a state away, then I'd be dreaming about glamping sites in our backyard, and the next day I was looking at small multifamilies in my new area. What worked for our relationship is I found a deal with multiple exit strategies that my savings rate could cover expenses. Even after an extensive remodel, my savings rate will cover a mortgage on the property. Obviously we don't want to have a non-rented or non-selling home on the books, but I could in fact carry it for quite some time if I needed, which mitigates our risk. Honestly, I could go on and on about the investing with your spouse topic but I won't. I will say, if you are single your challenges are different but so are your opportunities... take advantage!

2. I lost my secret weapons!

Marriage for me also meant moving to a new market and a new W2 career. This in itself took away some of the momentum I had built in my hometown. I came from generations of real estate agents and my dad was my "unfair" advantage and a secret weapon. Not only was he my agent but he knows me well. Both houses I purchased were risky. So risky in fact that in both cases general contractors discouraged me from taking on the projects. I am talking they stated things similar to... the best thing that could happen would be you buy it and it burns down. However, my dad knew I had vision and drive. He steered me away from several and encouraged at the right times resulting in decent profits. My other not so secret weapon was that my home could be my primary residence and therefore lending and money was simple. My husband purchased his grandfather's home on a beautiful river secluded from others and we don't plan to move ever. What worked for replacing my secret weapons? I got my WV real estate license. My dad will always advise but I can't drag him to properties hours away and he won't be learning my market, so I did. I also saved money. I won't have the lending advantage but I do have higher savings rate as a married woman.

3. Now I know how much I don't know!

Here enters the bulk of the true analysis paralysis. Even though I was successful, I made mistakes. Mistakes don't feel good. I didn't know about Bigger Pockets on my live-in flip and it showed. Really, what I needed really badly at the time was the Bigger Pocket's Money podcast. I found the Bigger Pockets podcast when I was sleeping on an air mattress on the floor of my first (live-in) flip because I moved out too early and the closing fell through. I was very eager to sell and hadn't been the best steward of my finances so I went looking for help. I heard Scott Trench's interview on the podcast and read his book Set for Life in that empty house realizing some major mistakes and opportunity costs due to lack financial knowledge. Similarly, my second flip would have been the perfect BRRR deal. I put $170,000 into the deal, it appraised around $320,000, rented for $1700/month, and was like a new house! I sold it and not for $320,000. I am not going to call making around $100,000 on a flip a bad deal but it was a mistake to sell in my case. It sat on the market for a bit and while I was waiting to sell, I missed a huge opportunity to buy into a storage unit facility with my father. This 20/20 hindsight really threw me into analysis paralysis. I don't mean it negatively, I just realized the power of education and started missing the action steps under my new circumstances. Understanding the power of education and shiny object syndrome are eerily similar. I have learned a lot and I have a lot to learn, but am excited to learn from action even though I know mistakes will be made.


I started this post to share my new deal maybe ask a question or two after years of no investments, but in my excitement my thoughts went more to the most recent part of my real estate journey. It certainly didn't really feel like I was real estate investing while I was getting my finances in order, or when I was listening to the Real Estate Rookie with no investment prospects, or when I was watching homes sold to other people but now that I am taking action again, it feels very important. I am excited to take lessons learned and applying them to this next project and hope to reach out with questions soon. 

If you've made it this far, thank you for indulging my reflection and here is a before photo of the next project.

Post: First Flip (Live-in)

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Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment in Lexington.

Purchase price: $79,000
Cash invested: $5,000
Sale price: $165,000

Live in flip using a construction loan

Post: Downtown Lexington VA Flip

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Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $30,000
Cash invested: $50,000
Sale price: $274,550

Sleek in style and rich in character! This two story home built in 1922 has been completely renovated. Offering a versatile floor plan with four bedrooms, three and a half baths and over 1800 square feet of living space.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Retiring investor

How did you finance this deal?

This loan was financed with a construction loan and then private financing.

How did you add value to the deal?

To add value, in addition to an entire home remodel, one and a half bathrooms were added. The kitchen was moved.

What was the outcome?

A decent profit was achieved and many lessons learned.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Know your exit strategies and have your personal finances in order. I should have completed a cash out refinance and kept this beauty for true wealth generation. I missed opportunities having my cash tied up. While overall the flip was very successful, a good look at my exit options would have improved the return.

Post: First Flip (Live-in)

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Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $79,000
Cash invested: $5,000
Sale price: $165,000

Live-in flip utilizing a construction loan. Small modular turned cabin.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

At the time, I was in my early 20s and looking for a way to get the most value for my money. This was a great learning experience and helped me find bigger pockets.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

The property was listed on the MLS and was a foreclosure. We had written an offer and were about to submit when the bank dropped the price to lower than our offer. We came offered the full newly reduced asking price.

How did you finance this deal?

I used a construction loan through a local bank. It was a great option for me as a first-time homebuyer to have a low down payment but the ability to improve the value enough to avoid PMI.

How did you add value to the deal?

I added value by completing a full remodel and sweat equity.

What was the outcome?

I was able to improve my financial position while learning a lot!

Lessons learned? Challenges?

I learned many lessons; however, the one that stands out the most is to educate yourself on exits strategies and investing.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Yes, my father Alan Tilson in Lexington, VA a real estate agent was a great advisor. It was wonderful to have someone who knew my abilities and limits. Each time I have purchased a property at least one builder and at least one trusted friend have advised me not to purchase these distressed properties. However, my father acted as my secret weapon and advisor landing me wonderful properties thus far.

Post: Mobile Home Park... Deal or No Deal

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From my initial discussion my understanding is the asking price includes 13 park owned homes, as well as the two houses, and commercial buildings.  

Post: Mobile Home Park... Deal or No Deal

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Thank you! I appreciate knowing where the numbers are off and quick rules of thumb to quickly determine if I should spend more time analyzing.  I do not believe the park previously detailed is below market rents. At first glance, it seemed like a deal worth analyzing with my limited knowledge.    

I had just called another FSBO park closer to home and rents were at $125.00. That park has a better location and may have room for a slightly higher lot rent with improvements. I believe this park's value is more in the 50 acres of commercial real estate and I did not follow up with running the numbers. They are asking 2.5 million for 58 spots, 2 commercial buildings, and 2 single-family homes. I guess this is all to say its already been eye-opening to the number of variables just calling around to a nearby parks.

Thanks again,

Rebecca