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All Forum Posts by: Reagan Huefner

Reagan Huefner has started 17 posts and replied 35 times.

Post: Owner Build House Hack?

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

Hello everyone,

I'm exploring an opportunity to convert a duplex into a quadplex and would greatly appreciate your insights or experiences in similar ventures.

Background:

  • Purchased a duplex in Roosevelt, UT for $210k, invested $20k+ in renovations.
  • Currently valued at ~$275k with a mortgage of $197k.
  • Planning to leverage the equity for a new project in Bear Lake, facing a housing crunch.

Proposed Project:

  • Partnering with my grandparents, who have $300k cash and a half-acre lot.
  • Aim to build a quadplex, estimated cost: $1,000,000; ARV: $1,200,000.
  • My contribution: $50k cash, project management, and labor (potential savings of $150-200k).

Financial Breakdown:

  • Total initial investment: $450k ($300k from grandparents, $50k from me).
  • Required loan: $450-500k for construction.
  • Post-construction plan: Either buy out grandparents or rent units for 2-3 years, offering them 5-8% annual return. Here is the RENTAL REPORT based on renting 3 units out and living in one of them.

Challenges:

  • Qualifying for the necessary loan.
  • Ensuring a profitable return for my grandparents.

Request for Advice:

  • Feasibility of the project from an investment perspective.
  • Suggestions on managing the financial aspects, especially regarding the loan.
  • Any similar experiences or insights would be incredibly helpful.

I'm already in discussions with lenders, accountants, and realtors who see potential in this project. Your opinions and advice would be invaluable in helping me make a well-informed decision.

Thank you!

Post: Owner Build House Hacking?

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

Hey all. I have been trying to come up with a way to turn my duplex into a quadplex. Here is a brief overview of the situation. I would appreciate any advise, ideas, or experiences you might have. 

My wife and I bought a duplex in Roosevelt, UT just over two years ago as a house hack. It has done well for us, but we have since moved north to Bear Lake where I am from. It is difficult to find housing in Bear Lake as most of the available properties are being used as either vacation homes or short term rentals. We are hoping to be able to turn the equity be have built/appreciated into a place for us to live as well as provide some long term housing for locals.

I bought the duplex I own just over two years ago for $210k. It was fairly beat up and I have put over $20k of cash into it as well as several weeks of labor. There is not a lot of comps of recent sales of multifamily properties in the area, but my realtor says that she has notifications on for anytime a multifamily gets put on the market because there are lots of interested buyers, just not a lot of them being sold. I currently owe $197k (I used and FHA owner occupied for a small down payment), and I think that I could sell it for at least $275k. After paying off the credit card debt I have from remodeling, realtors fees, and closing costs from the sale, I would have about $50k.

My grandparents recently received $300k and a half acre lot in return for their investment in my dad's business. They don't want to put their money in the bank, and don't know what to do with the lot. I am working on a deal where I put my $50k in with their $300k and the lot to build a quadplex. My dad was trying to build one himself a year ago and the builder estimated the build cost to be $1,000,000. The bank estimated the ARV after completion to be $1,200,000. In the deal I am working on I would act as the general as well as provide some of the labor that I am competent in such as dirt work, landscaping, cabinets and trim. I believe that between managing the project and providing this labor I can save $150-200k on the build cost. (Builders here are charging 15% for their contractors fee.)

That means that the investment would be:


$300k cash and $150k lot value from my grandparents for a total of $450k

$50k cash, project management, and some construction labor from myself.

To get it built we would need $800-850k. The down payment would be $350k so we would need a $450-500k loan to build it.

I would like to buy my grandparents out and repay them with a return for their investment once the construction is complete. The only issue is that I don't think I can qualify for the loan I would need to do that. I would need to pay the construction loan of $450-500k as well as $500k to pay my grandparents back with a good return. Since this likely isn't possible, I am considering proposing that we leave all the cash in the deal and rent it out for 2-3 years. If I am still unable to buy them out at that point then we can list the property for sale.

Here is the link for the RENT NUMBERS with all of our cash still in the property and my family living in one unit. $2,000 a unit is on the low end of what we expect to be able to rent the units for and the other numbers are conservative as well. We would plan to contribute at least $1,000 monthly in addition to the cashflow you see in the report. That means we could pay my grandparents $2-3k monthly as a return on their investment. That is a 5-8% return yearly. If we sold the property after two years and it appreciated 3% both years Then I would pay them $500k in addition the to $50-70k that they got in monthly payments which works out to be at least a 22% return in 2 years.

I am talking to some lenders, accountants, and realtors and they seem to think this deal is possible. I would appreciate any thoughts you have.

Thank you!

Post: Undisclosed Sewer Issues

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

@Cory Lucas I will definitely be having the lines scoped on my next purchase. Could’ve save me a lot of headache and possibly $20k. Thanks for the input.

Post: Undisclosed Sewer Issues

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

Post: Undisclosed Sewer Issues

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

Do I have a case?

I bought my first rental property in December last year. It is a Duplex in the Uintah Basin, Utah. My wife and I moved in to one unit and rented the other to the tenant already living there. After a couple months the sewer backed up into the tub and onto the floor a bit. We had a plumber come rotoroot the lines and thought that would fix the issue. The tenant in the other unit mentioned that before we bought the place there was usually plumbers there several time a year. This was not disclosed by the seller. Just today the sewer backed up again and I had a plumber Camera the line. Turns out the line has backward slope and does not connect to the main sewer line, but ends in a hole that is full. In order to fix it right will cost about 20k.

I believe the fact that they were having issues with the sewer should have been disclosed, and if they knew about the real issue then that definitely should have been. Should I approach the seller and ask them to split the cost? Should I take them to court? I would appreciate any additional suggestions. Thanks!

Post: Undisclosed Sewer Issues

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

Do I have a case?

I bought my first rental property in December last year. It is a Duplex in the Uintah Basin, Utah. My wife and I moved in to one unit and rented the other to the tenant already living there. After a couple months the sewer backed up into the tub and onto the floor a bit. We had a plumber come rotoroot the lines and thought that would fix the issue. The tenant in the other unit mentioned that before we bought the place there was usually plumbers there several time a year. This was not disclosed by the seller. Just today the sewer backed up again and I had a plumber Camera the line. Turns out the line has backward slope and does not connect to the main sewer line, but ends in a hole that is full. In order to fix it right will cost about 20k. 

I believe the fact that they were having issues with the sewer should have been disclosed, and if they knew about the real issue then that definitely should have been. Should I approach the seller and ask them to split the cost? Should I take them to court? I would appreciate any additional suggestions. Thanks!

Post: Plumbing issue makes property uninhabitable.

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Gordon Starr:

Why wait? If I were you,, I'd go rent or buy a snake, watch a few utubes on how to use it, and clear that mofo tonight..

I bought a snake and tried to use it, but it only helped it drain very slowly. I do want to keep these tenants long term so I decided to help them get a hotel, and a plumber is coming first thing tomorrow. Thank you all for your input.

Post: Plumbing issue makes property uninhabitable.

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

Hi BP, I just recently bought a duplex that I am house hacking. Just today the drain for the house has clogged, making it so myself and the tenants in the other unit cannot drain any water in the house. The soonest a plumber can get here is tomorrow morning. Is it my responsibility to get a hotel room for my tenants? Should I do it even if it’s not? Please help!

Post: House hack maintenance

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

Hi BP. I just bought my first duplex house hack a month ago, and I’m wondering how best to handle maintenance. I have a separate savings and checking account for the property. I was planning on using the checking account for receiving rent and paying the mortgage. The tenant pays $750 a month for an out dated unit and the total escrow is $1180. I was planning on covering the rest of the escrow and putting an additional $150 -$200 a month into the savings for maintenance and cap ex. Is it best to use my personal card to buy things for the house, or the card for the property checking?

Post: Buying a rental with existing tenants.

Reagan Huefner
Pro Member
Posted
  • Contractor
  • Roosevelt Utah
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 12

I have done a thorough walkthrough and had a home inspection. The seller says both tenants are on month to month leases, and he is trying to relocate one of them. I’ve talked to the other partner in the sale and he said he will make sure I get the leases. Thank you all for your input! I thought it was wrong that they wouldn’t give me the leases, but you all gave me the confidence I needed to stand my ground.