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All Forum Posts by: Raul Sai P

Raul Sai P has started 2 posts and replied 18 times.

Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Henry T.:

Sorry, but 550 credit rating is for criminals. I've always been 720 and above. I'm now 750. The one time I took a 550 I ended up with a trashed house. 10k in damages.  I've had damages from 720's but it does get worse the lower you go.


 When you're in the hood, you're not gonna get a lot of 700+ credit scores.


location location location.. my west coast props I am at 700 fico and above takes a minute but its worth the one month extra to rent it.  back east you have to play to the hand your dealt, or where you chose to buy.. all cities have great areas where you can expect the 700 plus renter and they all have areas were credit score is meaningless and rates of return as an owner will on paper vary by area. its all risk reward.  No mystery to it.

 Agreed. it does depend on the area and you have to play the hand dealt. That's why I am trying to find a PMC that is more proactive to reduce some of the risks. 

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There are some suggesting raising the credit score. If the neighborhood is close to what he is indicating, raising that score wont work. Many of those tenants are there for a reason. Doesnt make them bad people but most are in bad situations with little stability. If they had those higher scores most likely they would not be trying to live there. 


 You make it sound like people get a bad credit score by accident. You get a bad credit score because you borrow money or services and then don't pay it back. That's not someone in a bad situation, that's someone who is dishonest who's made a series of bad life choices.


 Exactly this. It hurt me that these were tenants that I cared for and yet that meant nothing to them. After the Covid restrictions were removed, I still gave some leeway (time) when these tenants were late in paying rent. However the way they chose to leave the referigerator door open along with food in eat and tear up the carpets, and color all over the wall with crayons indicate people who deliberatly choose to make wrong choices.  

Quote from @Tien Pham:

Hi @Raul Sai P,

My name is Tien. I'm located in KCMO and am also an active buy-and-hold investor in both KCMO and KCK areas. I manage 12 units by myself. I completely relate with you regarding the headaches of dealing with tenants who have no regard for our properties. I'm currently helping my friends from CA to invest in the rental market in KC and also help them manage their properties. Let's connect to see if there are any values I can provide to you.


 Thanks for your response. I would love to connect and learn more. Please do reach out via DM. 

Thanks, please let me know if you have any recommendations on a good PM company in the Kansas City area. I would like one that can hold such tenants accountable in the worst case and recover some part of the damage done.

Post: New MO State law on Business License

Raul Sai PPosted
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I believe that the state of Missouri approved a statute in 2022 exempting home based businesses from business license requirements. 

Recently, the city of Independence still want folks to get a business license while cities like Blue Springs, WebsterGroves etc. mention on their websites like below  
See https://www.webstergrovesmo.gov/238/BusinessMerchants-Licenses. Home-Based Businesses: Beginning with permit year 2023, home-based businesses are NOT required to obtain a business license from the City of Webster Groves. This change was mandated by the Missouri General Assembly in 2022 HB 1662 and is codified in Missouri State Law, 71.990.

Any thoughts? What do others in MO state see from their respective cities?

Thanks Mo.  

Like I mentioned at the start of my post - This was not always the case with maybe 5-10% rate of the rental properties getting damaged before Covid (and with a different PM company). Then I would see a damage of at most around $3-4K in one house out of four. However, now I am seeing around 90% case of properties getting trashed and the damage is a lot more ($10K+).

Old thread but I am facing similar issue. If anyone recently got a good PM company in the Kansas City area, please PM me or share an update here.

Some background - Around 5-6 years ago, I was getting decent tenants for the most part and a pretty good PM company to manage the rentals in MO state. 

While I understand that it is part of the game to have a rental property trashed every once in a while, I am currently facing a situation where pretty much all of my 3-4 homes are getting severely trashed every year. I am talking of move-out repairs around $9000-$12000 in damages for each property, which obviously goes way beyond the security deposit. It costs $2000 to just remove the piles of trash before I can fix the rental. There is not a single aspect that's not trashed with intentional damages like big holes in walls, intentionally ripping out carpets, trashing new appliances, kids drawing in all rooms, broken doors, window shades, screen doors, lost garage and fireplace remotes etc. Most Tenants do not even stick around for the move-out inspection. These damages are so extensive that it's wiped out years of breakeven cost that I initially managed to get. Plus $10K is a significant loss when the house itself is in the $200K range.

My challenge is that I am a remote owner and cannot visit my rentals every month so I have limited options. The original PM company was  acquired by a bigger one a few years ago and takes care of everything from getting tenants/screening them to collecting rent, repairs etc.  This PM company does follow a good screening process: credit check (with a score of 550 or higher however if lower PM company will not decline solely based on the credit score itself), rental/mortgage history, employment/income verification of 3 times the amount of rent, and a criminal background check. The approval is made on a combination of these 4 items.

One option that I tried was to sign up for six-month inspection at additional cost from the PM company but that did not help. The PM company does send the damage bill to Tenant, notice through a lawyer and follows all the process for collections, but I am yet to see a cent back.

I am hoping to explore some options and ideas from the fellow community especially in the MO area.

- Any screening process that you follow differently to improve tenant quality?

- Any options or recommendation for a PM company (ability to find good tenants and recover some damages from tenant in the worst case)