Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Ramon Melero

Ramon Melero has started 3 posts and replied 13 times.

Originally posted by @Michael Robbins:

@Ramon Melero you have 5 days from the time of receipt to review the HOA resale package. You can cancel within those 5 days. NRS 116.4108 and 116.4109.

 I know that now. Time has expired and I've closed. I thought the contract due diligence locked in, and I didn't fully read that disclosure that I had a second due diligence period. Mostly my fault, but my agent could've clarified that for me.

Expensive lesson learned to avoid HOAs ☹️

Originally posted by @Bill B.:

You definitely didn’t have to buy it. You get 3 days in Las Vegas to examine Hoa cc&rs and their financials. You even have to sign a statement saying you had three days to examine them and agree to them. Nobody would have stopped you from doing what you signed you had done. I’ve tried to turn in my 3 day notice after a day and they said ut didn’t matter. I still had to wait 3 days to close as I could change my mind. 

You definitely don't want to use Airbnb/vrbo without the permits.business license and sound monitoring equipment if it's not too close to an existing STR. You will get busted and pay fines waaaay in excess of the rent.

As far as selling you’d have to get well in excess of $450 just to break even. You’re better off renting to friends/co-workers/relatives only< as a friend would do if it’s unaffordable as is. 

It's mostly my fault for not fully reading that disclosure about the HOA. My agent also didn't clarify that it had a second due diligence period. I thought that that had expired and my EMD was locked in.

I wasn't planning on doing STR. Only 30+ days. I only mentioned airbnb/etc because I can list with a 30 day minimum on there. That should keep me out of the eyes of the city.

 Selling seems like I'm just going to lose a bunch of money. 

Feeling pretty down here. So much for a smooth house hack. I'll have to just try to fly under the radar with longer term renters until I can move out and rent the unit in it's entirety. If the HOA comes pounding on my door I'll have to deal with that then.

I recently bought a house in Las Vegas to try to do a house hack while I save up for a pure investment property. During the purchase I was asking my agent and his assistant to provide me with the HOA bylaws so I could go over them. Due diligence expired and I got the bylaws the day before closing.

I went through the bylaws, and it has a provision that I can only rent the entire unit in it's entirety for at least 3 months.

So I had the option of losing 5k EMD and let go of a great house with pretty much everything I wanted and start the search all over. So I bought it.

I was hoping to rent out by the room, and seems that if I want to do that, I'm going to have to try to fly under the radar of the HOA. I suspect this is a disaster in the making.

Since it's an owner occupied loan, I technically can't rent it out completely without being in violation of the mortgage. 

I was aggressive in trying to get the bylaws from my realtor, but they told m there was nothing they could do to force the sellers agent to provide it. I even tried reaching out to the HOA management company, and they told me they don't provide the bylaws to non-owners.

My business model was going to be 30+ day furnished rentals by the room. 

Should I try to sell the house for a profit while the market is still hot? An issue with that is that it appraised for 400 and I bought it for 420. So I imagine the house will still appraise for 400 and need to find someone willing to pay a little more than 420, and hopefully break even. I want to avoid this because then I'm back to where I started and need to find another property. 

Or should I just wing it and try to fly under the radar and rent the furnished rooms out for about a year while I get another property and rent out the entire unit? I think this is my best option.

Should I stay away from airbnb/booking.com/etc and try to find roommates? This will probably be the safest option, but it's still technically against the HOA, but less chance of neighbors finding out with longer term renters.

Another option is to abandon the house hack idea, but I'm a single guy in a 3 bedroom house. Massive waste of potential income. I can afford it, but I should have just rented/purchased a high rise 1 bedroom by the strip for less money. FML.

Luckily it seems that the HOA management company is large and busy, and I think the only way I would get busted is if one of the neighbors rats me out.

I really hate that I'm in this situation, but I guess I should have known to avoid HOAs. Lesson learned, but what do I do now? 

Originally posted by @Dan H.:

>Tear apart my plan please :)

Maintenance, Cap ex, misc will consume the projected $179 cash flow. 

The cost of furnishing is not reflected anywhere.  

Renting by the room is labor intensive and usually results in higher turn over.  I suspect your vacancy rate is too low because of the rent by room strategy. 

Good luck

Fair. Adjusted numbers a bit. Added 15k for furnishing and 3k a year for maintenance (too low?). Upped the vacancy to 15%. 

Leaves me with -$251 neg cash flow, very close to cash flow house hack I can easily service.

https://www.calculator.net/ren...

If I rent out the 4th room at 600 as well, I'll cash flow $258

 https://www.calculator.net/ren...

Do these numbers looks conservative? On airbnb I see rooms listed around 1800 a month for single rooms around there. Roommates.com has rooms listed for 600-800. Of course they might not be getting rented.

So if I get creative with a room or two, I could get 800-1000 per room I think. It could cash flow $930, but I don't want to think I can achieve best case scenario.

https://www.calculator.net/ren...

Just got an offer accepted for a SFH in Las Vegas. Trying to do a house hack living in the master bedroom. Looked all over in the Vegas market for an acceptable MFH , but I could not find a decent one to live in.

404k offer, 399k list

5 Bedroom

3 Bath

2300 sq ft, 6100 sq ft lot

Built 1962

89102 zip code, 10 mins from strip and 10 mins from downtown

These are the basic numbers behind it renting out 3 furnished rooms at $600 , which I think would be conservative. 

https://www.calculator.net/ren...

Cash flows $180 with 5% vacancy and self management. Are these numbers realistic?

Renting 4 rooms out at $800 cash flows $1508, but that's best case scenario.

https://www.calculator.net/ren...

Lot looks big enough that I should be able to maybe expand the house, add another bedroom or two or add an ADU.

Does anyone have experience with ADUs in Las Vegas? Tear apart my plan please :) 

Originally posted by @Steve Morris:

"I think the better option is going to be to build a new multifamily property."

Great, so I'm assuming you understand:

1) Local zoning code and what is allowed or not.  Then get ready to deal with permits and inspectors and all the fees.

2) How to find the right piece of land in the right place

3) How to get a team of sub-contractors and making sure that everyone is following OSHA/BOLI and they are all licensed and bonded.  They get hurt without that then you're responsible.

You can build, but hire a builder and pay attention on your first project

I've studied the Las Vegas R-3 zoning code and I have an ok grip on it. I'm definitely getting expert advice before I buy any land and get burned.

My biggest issue is #2. This is what I'm struggling with.

I definitely want to find a builder to work with, but as you mentioned, pay attention during the build.

Originally posted by @Scott Schultz:

I have been contemplating building multis as well, i figure self GC'ing i should be able to build for around $75K/unit without a basement, and Me being the HVAC, finish, cabinet, flooring ect guy. 

I do not have the experience for that stuff. I would expect to save whatever markup the GCs are making, but open yourself up to mistakes/liabilities.  

Originally posted by @Calvin Ozanick:

Good afternoon, I would highly suggest you look into a potential Out of State investment. Here in Wisconsin, 120k is the sale price of a duplex that rents for in the 1400-1600 range. You could dump that 120k into 2-3 duplexes and see 3-4.5k in rent income. The market is strong and very beneficial to landlords at this time here. I would love to talk more about the potentials of your cash in this market. I would love to give you some insight to what I am seeing in my market. Best of luck!

I'm definitely open to other locations, but I'm fairly attached to Las Vegas. 

Originally posted by @Ryan Landis:

@Ramon Melero you are in an awesome position! Just my 2 cents, and take it with a grain of salt, but managing contractors is hard enough. Building (if you don't have the right people doing it) can really go over budget and become a bit of a nightmare. If you can pull it off, power to you. But there is something that needs to be said for just having rent checks come in from day 1.

 Thanks, I've done alot of saving these past few years so I'm definitely looking forward to having somewhere stable that's mine and generating cash flow.


I'm definitely not planning on doing the building myself, I'd hire that out. I'm providing the initial design then hiring an engineer/architect, down payment, and property management. Of course I'm going to be wasting space in one of the units :)

I agree that having rent checks coming in sooner is better. I'm still open to buying an ok multi-family and rehab, but I'm not finding any I'm interested in and I've been looking for months.  

Originally posted by @Travis Turner:

As an Electrical Contractor the first thing I would recommend you do is go to the city or county jurisdiction and find out how much the permits would cost.

Developing land can be crazy expensive.

Here in Oregon when building a single family home its typically around $4k just for a set of plans to be drawn by an architect.

Up to $10k for building permits

In my small town its $11k just for the water meter and sewer connection. (On a SFR)

Excavation and site work is also not cheap. Underground utilities, grading, gravel etc. Digout for footings, foundations and drains.

Each property is > $50k before walls start being built on a 1500 sq ft home.

People here are literally buying properties with tear down houses where they can literally tear it all down EXCEPT one wall and call it a "remodel" to save all that development cost. (including myself)

I'm new to investing but well versed in construction.


In my opinion if you could find a foreclosure or off market deal to purchase that needs lots of work, you would almost definately always be $ ahead vs building new.

Vegas is obviously a different market but definately research the total cost before beginning.

Good luck in your venture!!!


 I hadn't done much research on that aspect, kind of why I want a pre-developed land. Good idea with the teardown "remodel". I had thought of buying an old building to tear down, but it seems that the demolish/dump cost is pretty high, but to your point, is probably less expensive, and also get's me into more developed neighborhoods.