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All Forum Posts by: Joe Ramirez

Joe Ramirez has started 5 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: 2019 purchase, 2018 property tax has no exemptions

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

@Davis C. yes the county is requiring that the previous owners apply for the exemptions retroactively.  In the case where the previous owners have since passed away, there was a way to get the refund without getting them involved, but they require you to get a death certificate.  I imagine there might be something similar if they are still alive but unable to file, but you'd have to ask the county and/or your lawyer.

Post: 2019 purchase, 2018 property tax has no exemptions

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

Hi @Davis C.  Sounds like a very similar situation i went through...  check out my post about it here:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/664/topics/672346-cook-county-tax-exemption-treatment-on-flip

I was able to get the ball moving by talking directly to the county about my issue.

https://www.cookcountytreasurer.com/contactusbyphone.aspx

Post: Cook County Tax Exemption treatment on flip

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

Hi all,  just wanted to update this thread in case anyone was interested in the result....

It turns out the reason we overpaid taxes was because the previous owners had the Senior Freeze exemption, but they forgot to apply for it for the year 2017.  We bought the property from them in late 2017. According to the county (which I spoke to directly), the property was still eligible for all of the previous owners' exemptions in the year 2017 if they occupied the home on Jan 1, 2016 and Jan 1, 2017 (which is expressly written in the exemption application). Since they did, they should have filed for their exemptions in 2017 like normal.  Because they didn't or forgot to, the county removed the exemptions for that year and thus we, the new owners, paid thousands more than we should have.

The lesson for me was to make sure someone is checking on this when the closing for the house occurred.  I'm not exactly sure who's responsibility it is to check that this was done properly (my agent, my lawyer, etc...), but really this was just one of those rarer cases that happened to slip through the cracks.  Good learning experience for sure.  We are now in the process of retroactively filing the exemptions with the previous owners in order to get a refund.  Thanks for all the responses here!

Post: Cook County Tax Exemption treatment on flip

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

Thanks all for the insights.  The effect I'm talking about is definitely the removal of exemptions, not the increase in the assessment.  It just seems wrong that I had to pay the full year 2017 tax bill without exemptions even though I only owned it essentially 3 months (oct-dec) of 2017.  I'm going to appeal with the county to see if I can make sense of it.

Post: Cook County Tax Exemption treatment on flip

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

Hi all,

I recently completed my first flip and had a question about the treatment of tax exemptions on the property.  In the end, I feel like I significantly overpaid.

We purchased the property in late September of 2017 from an elderly couple that had 3 exemptions (homeowner, senior and senior freeze).  On closing, we received about $1700 in credits towards the 2017 tax bill.  Their previous full year tax bills averaged about $2100, so this makes sense to me.

Unfortunately, we held the property for almost exactly 1 year, til late September 2018.  In that timeframe, we paid the first 2017 bill of only about $1100 (thus still reflecting the exemptions). But the final 2017 bill did NOT reflect any exemptions, so we ended up paying an additional $5800 for a total of $6900 to the county for year 2017.

Finally, when we went to sell the property, we had to give a credit to the seller based on the 2017 bill.  We credited $5500.  So we held the property for a year, but ended up paying $6900 - $1700 + $5500 = $10,700.... which seems to be almost $3000 more than what we should have paid for 1 year of ownership.

I feel like the county should have received ~80% of the 2017 bill with exemptions and ~20% of the bill without exemptions, yet they received a full year without exemptions.  Am I wrong or is this not how it works?   Is there anything I could do to appeal or is it too late now that I don't own the property? It seem like this must happen somewhat regularly, so I'm surprised there was no automated way to catch it.

Thanks in advance for any advice!

Post: Finally... Property Management for the 21st Century

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

@Leonid Sapronov Thanks so much for the helpful feedback! We certainly recognize the huge task we are trying to take on but we believe the opportunity to make property management more efficient is an exciting challenge. Maybe one day we'll be using robots with zero actual boots on the ground but for now our plan is to significantly reduce the boots on the ground and exploit new ways of accomplishing the same goals as traditional PMs. I really like your idea of using existing PMs and we've been discussing something similar. Our target market is small landlords who manage buildings with up to 6 unis. Many of these smaller landlords manage properties themselves because they don't feel an 8% fee is worth it. This is especially true for many Chicago 3 or 4 unit properties that are relatively new or require little maintenance. In terms of cost of repairs, we hope to eventually get to a large enough size that we can obtain discounts from providers as well.

Thanks again for your comments! We appreciate all the feedback we can get. Good or bad!

Post: Finally... Property Management for the 21st Century

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

Good morning and happy Friday everyone! Just wanted to post an update to our website, which now includes a more detailed explanation of pricing. Check it out and let us know what you think! Note that we plan to initially launch in Chicago with only the ability to bring contractors to you on demand. We'll add the leasing and rental payment services soon after and then widen our scope to other cities.

www.LandlordHero.com

Thanks,
Joe

Post: Finally... Property Management for the 21st Century

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

Certainly @James Wise. We are actually in the process of refining the wording and it will be up on our site within the week. I'll be back to let everyone know when its up!

Post: Finally... Property Management for the 21st Century

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

@Greg H., we are still in the process of ramping up, but we certainly plan to be licensed in all states we will be operating in. Note that we are not operating yet and that our first market will likely be Chicago unless we get significant interest elsewhere first. We are already working with folks who are licensed agents in the Chicago area.

Post: Finally... Property Management for the 21st Century

Joe RamirezPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 3

@James Wise

 That's exactly why we believe there's an opportunity! The traditional model is a 5-10% subscription fee, but there's always more than one way to skin a cat! We plan to be a full service property management company, just with a different pricing and business model.