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All Forum Posts by: Rachel Weiss

Rachel Weiss has started 2 posts and replied 12 times.

Quote from @Steve K.:
Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

For those asking, staging is paid by us. 

If you are flipping $2M homes, providing repeat business for an agent in the $2M price point, then I'd recommend building a relationship with a great local agent and negotiating a mutually beneficial arrangement. Commissions are negotiable. 


 finally a good answer 

Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

For those asking, staging is paid by us. 

in the case you are describing where you put money into an event, making a large amount of money seems to be appropriate given the risk you took with that 50k. 

In my case, the towns are extremely desirable and there are tons of buyers  eager for any remodeled home. so why is a realtor that makes 2 showings and pushes a few papers deserving of 60k pay? I cannot for the life of me understand this. There is absolutely no out of pocket cost to them and they take 0 risk. 

Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Rachel Weiss:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

good luck getting an agent that works the LUX market for 10k..

Now if the market is SO good that they just list on MLS and duck.. thats one thing.

But if its like most props in those price ranges. marketing cost might be 10k alone.

Your points are common feedback with RE brokerage commissions they are as you know negotiable. no one is forcing you to sign with a broker.

lastly most brokers in the LUX market would not even come close to entertaining what your offering.. they would be thanks but no thanks. Not worth their time.


 what are marketing costs? I pay for staging... when costs do the realtors have? 


If your market is that hot.. \and you pay for staging . then just find a broker that will let you list on MLS with no representation.. We have these brokers  on the west coast they charge like 500.00 to 1000.00 .. and in the public remarks and private remarks it says to call you the owner for showings etc.. flat fee brokers..  U may or may not have them there.. Every market is different when it comes to brokerage services and as I stated no one is forcing you.. commish is negotiable its up to you to find the sweet spot between service and fee paid.. 

 I don't want to sell without representation. I'm happy to pay a reasonable fee. Am I the only one thinking 60k is unreasonable????

Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

good luck getting an agent that works the LUX market for 10k..

Now if the market is SO good that they just list on MLS and duck.. thats one thing.

But if its like most props in those price ranges. marketing cost might be 10k alone.

Your points are common feedback with RE brokerage commissions they are as you know negotiable. no one is forcing you to sign with a broker.

lastly most brokers in the LUX market would not even come close to entertaining what your offering.. they would be thanks but no thanks. Not worth their time.


 what are marketing costs? I pay for staging... when costs do the realtors have? 

My main question is why is it acceptable to pay 50-60k for the listing agent? Who earns so much money for 20-30 hours of work? I would love to negotiate a lower fee but I don't want to upset them. I can tell it is not common to negotiate because the realtors I am working with know that in the past, I used a realtor who charges less (and also gives less than great customer service), and they keep telling me how bad she is and that you cannot give proper customer service when she plays the volume game. And they are not offering me a better deal. It seems like everyone is doing the standard rate and no one is challenging it. There's only that one person that is known to charge less than the standard rate but her service sucks. 

As for the period of sale time, in this market everything goes within a week of being listed unless there's something wrong with the property.

Hi everyone, We are new flippers in desirable towns where remodeled homes sell for 1.8m - 2.5m or more. I am having trouble understanding how paying the realtor 100k in fees on the resale alone (not including what they get paid when they are used on the buy) is acceptable. I searched other threads on BP about this, and the explanations were about a 400k home, for example, that works out to a modest amount per hour. However, this explanation no longer makes sense when it comes to homes that are much more expensive. Why is it not common to negotiate flat fees that are more reasonable? Why is it not enough for a realtor to get paid $10k for their service? I think that's a nice amount of money for their work. There is no other  profession where someone makes so much money for doing so little. I find it difficult to wrap my head around, and I'm looking for a better solution. 

I understand they service builders/flippers by advising them on what's best for their investment and managing the selling process. Still, even lawyers don't pay such high fees for professional time spent with clients.  

And I'm assuming the comp is typically 1 point, i.e. 1% of the loan amount?

Appreciate all of the responses. Can anyone point me to reputable lenders to start with? I don't want to mess up with my first clients.... 

Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Rachel Weiss:

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone here knows. How do you become a broker for hard money lending?


 Get a list of fix and flippers and start dialing. Ask them if they have any projects they are seeking hard money on. Then connect with some hard money lenders (you can find some here on BP as well as some who are typing this right now) and connect with them to understand their product type, what they like to lend on and requirements.

Hard money broker is all numbers game of making relationships and helping those that are looking for financing, it starts out slow but if you get with a few good borrowers and lenders it can be pretty decent money to be made.

As an example we paid six figures last year to HM brokers. 

Thanks a lot. That's exactly why I want to get into it. I have a few good friends that would use me if I can service their HM needs. So is it a matter or reaching out to lenders saying I'm willing and able to act as a broker and ask for their terms/rules? Or does one need a special license / need to open a company?