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All Forum Posts by: Robert C.

Robert C. has started 14 posts and replied 335 times.

Post: Working with more than one realtor at a time. Ok or not ok?

Robert C.Posted
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  • San Francisco, CA
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Very relevant question! As a multifamily investor, I do work with a variety of different agents who also overlap territories/regions when I'm buying. It doesn't sound like this will be a popular answer, but I don't see anything wrong with it.

To me, this is about honesty, integrity, and your ability to build relationships. Don't get me wrong, it's not always the most comfortable place to be working with multiple realtors (if you focus on a particular region the community will overlap), but I would say you have to follow some ground rules to make it work. As several people have already suggested, you have to be upfront about not being exclusive. In addition, you should set ground rules so the people you work with know what to expect. For example, all my agents know that if two or more brokers bring me the same opportunity, I go with the person who got to me first - fair and square. They also know that if they get me a deal that closes, that's going to be theirs to sell when the time comes. There's a lot of value in being a straight shooter. The other thing that helps is just generally building a strong reputation in the community. Are you a closer? Do people like working with you? Are you always chipping away at commission? You can also help various relationships by referring new clients or rewarding some by listing properties with them that aren't tied to any particular agent. You can sometimes let your broker participate in an investment as a partner in lieu of commission, too.

The only caveat I'll add, is that you really have to be "active enough" to do this. Knowing that you're someone who is constantly buying, or that can close the big deals means brokers have a reason to want to work with you, even if you're not exclusive. 

With all due respect to the real estate agents who've replied here, no single agent has access to every single deal (and in my very competitive market, a lot of deals are NOT on the MLS). And as much as I respect the value that brokers bring to the table, it's not like the agents are being exclusive to me as an investor either. The capable ones have several bigger investors for whom they are divvying up off-market product. Some agents who are also investors cherry pick the best deals for themselves, too. All I'm saying philosophically here, is that it just doesn't seem fair to be one-way exclusive.

Definitely DO NOT work with multiple agents behind the agents' backs, especially when you focus on one region. It may work for the short term, but you'll be found out eventually, and the hit to your reputation won't be worth it.

Post: Serious Question! Not ment to offend anyone!

Robert C.Posted
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  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 338
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Hey Tommy, 

In my opinion, the motivation doesn't really matter as much in the end, but it IS an important question to ask. I agree with other posters that there are all sorts of people in real estate, and you'll encounter the extremes of good and bad folks along your journey. At the same time, just because someone is motivated by ulterior motives (money, power, etc.), doesn't mean that they don't have good information. 

There also ARE good people out there who are happy to act as mentors with very little return. I think that's because successful real estate investors are obsessed with their craft. Plus, if they're doing it right, they probably have some extra time on their hands to teach (which they probably enjoy), and also learn something new for themselves. Age makes a big difference - some of the best advice I've gotten has come from people who've been in the game a long time, and they have a different perspective as they reach retirement. And guess what... EVERYONE on this site who's an active investor is ALWAYS looking for new opportunities. So if those opportunities turn up in the process of mentoring, they'll definitely take advantage of it (but hopefully as a win-win). 

This may be a side point to your initial question, but I believe in approaching relationships defensively. Don't put yourself in a position where you're at risk of being taken to the cleaners. And then over time, you decide the types of people you're willing to work with, and who YOU want to reward (with your business, money, time, loyalty, partnership, friendship...). 

My two cents!

Post: New Member from Redwood City, CA

Robert C.Posted
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  • San Francisco, CA
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Hi Anthony!

I actually just joined BP as well, and I'm from Redwood City, too! Well, most of my investments are there anyways (I live in SF). I'm not much into rehab, myself - my focus area is multifamily complexes. 

Just a couple local tips, it could be a risky time in those Bay Area markets you mentioned, so be cautious and selective with your first deal (sounds like you're just beginning). But I suspect it's a great time to learn and prepare for any kind of upcoming dip in prices. 

Good luck!

Post: What To Do In a Changing Market?

Robert C.Posted
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  • San Francisco, CA
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Thanks for the reply, Russell. You hit it right on the nose regarding six months ago. Silly me locked in a 4% thinking the rate would go up .5%-1% this year. I know it's not a big deal over the long run, but hindsight is always the worst!

Regarding your hold strategy, are you concerned with not "outperforming the market"? Are you laying off on new acquisitions right now, or do you continue to buy? My main mental struggle with holding is figuring out how to balance maximizing cash flow vs having funds available (through increased mortgage debt) to take advantage of any significant drop in the market. It's nice to be prepared to buy, but I don't want money just sitting in the bank, not doing anything (I stay away from stocks).

Post: What To Do In a Changing Market?

Robert C.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 338
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Hi Folks!

I'm a new BP member, although I totally just binged a dozen podcast episodes! So much fun to hear interviews of other investors!

Real quick, I'm a Bay Area multifamily investor. I started in 2010, and things have been all on the up-and-up... rents have nearly doubled, appreciation has been crazy, and of course everyone knows the interest rates have remained super. However, this year the Bay Area market seems to be normalizing. There may also be signs of rents backing off and there's nowhere for interest rates to go but up!

Here's my dilemma: I've ONLY seen the good so far in my career. I'm wondering, how are other seasoned investors strategizing now that we may be cresting the top of the market? Hold? Sell? Diversify? Is there a way to maximize returns as a buy and hold investor even heading into a dip?

In general, it seems like younger investors tend to be sellers (pay the tax and wait) and older investors tend to say "hold". Thoughts?