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All Forum Posts by: Priscilla Chin

Priscilla Chin has started 3 posts and replied 11 times.

Quote from @Minji Kim:

Hi everyone! I'm a beginner to the BRRRR strategy and currently studying up on it. I live in New York, and as you know, properties here are expensive, and it's not exactly a landlord-friendly state. Because of this, I'm looking for areas close to New York where I can start investing.

Since this is my first time, I'd like to focus on neighborhoods I can visit frequently and see for myself. Do you have any suggestions for good areas nearby that are suitable for BRRRR?

Also, I’m hoping to connect with experienced investors for advice and support as I get started. Any tips would be greatly appreciated! 😊


 Hi Minji, I live in NYC and am looking to buy my first property for long term investment out of state.  If you're open to it, would love to connect for accountability, to share resources, etc. 

Quote from @Becca F.:

@Kathy Diamond

I agree with the comments by Nicholas, Bill and Stuart. If you don't already have a primary residence, could you buy a property and house hack?  I invest in S.F. Bay Area, did a local renovation where I was able to do walk throughs with the contractor, and have pretty good control of this property, can check on it multiple times a week. I did a brief search of the Yonkers area and I know it's a high cost of living area. 

Like @Nicholas L. said, maybe look within a reasonable driving distance from where you live, is there any city or state where you have family or friends that live there where you could travel to frequently and they could keep on the property for you or somewhere you visit a lot.  

I used to live in the Indy metro area so I have friends there. I rented out the house I lived in (in nice suburb with low crime and great schools) - this Class A property is doing well 5 years rented so far, but the property tax increases are reducing my cash flow.  I knew the area but not down to a detailed level. The other markets I considered were Cincinnati, Cleveland, Memphis, and St. Louis. For the last 3 cities, I talked to turnkey companies whose numbers on paper looked good but decided not to go with those cities since I knew nothing about them. So I stuck with Indy.

The 1% rule is flawed. I closed on a SFH that was at 0.88% rule in Indianapolis. This Class C SFH was supposed to cash flow $176 on paper at 6.99% interest rate. Purchase price was $130,000 supposed to be "turnkey" (bought with an agent not a company). I had a full inspection and there were some minor repairs done before the tenant moved in. For 7 months straight I was -$300 to -$700 a month because of repairs called in by the tenant (tenant wasn't breaking things as confirmed with Property Manager).A 100 year old renovated house is going to have problems. Also the brand new AC unit put in by the seller was stolen before tenant moved in - thieves climbed a 7 foot fence. For now it seems to have stabilized (owned a year). I also closed on another Class C home in Dec. 2023 - not rented out yet, trying to figure out whether to rent it out or sell and cut my losses.

I've recently talked to many investors in California and one in NYC, at in person meet ups and by phone/Zoom. I think it's at least 50% chance that you'll lose money buying in an unknown inexpensive market. My story isn't even that bad compared to another CA   investor who bought 2 apartment buildings in the Midwest Class C and was told property values would go up with gentrification. She waiting for things to get better but after 3 years sold both buildings because of the non-stop repairs and tenant issues. 

The reality is that you're buying in difficult market with high prices and higher interest rates. Many investors have had a really good run up from 2008 to 2022. My properties I acquired before 2013 are doing well. I should have left at that - I listened to too many people to acquire more doors and it will "cash flow".  If you decide to buy OOS I'd recommend  to  fly  out to the area. Would you live there? Is it run down? What are the surrounding businesses? Talk to multiple local investors who are unbiased  (someone not trying to sell you something), get multiple agents and contractors  feedback, and property management companies - two knowledgeble  PMs really opened my eyes to my Class C homes. If it's cheap, there's a reason it's cheap. 

Here's my comment on a post "what no one tells you about real estate"  Good luck.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/1165499-whats...

Hi Becca. I am looking to buy in Indy and your examples are so helpful for me to think about. If you're open, would love to connect. If you have any recommendations for realtors and PMs in Indy and are open to sharing, please lmk!

Post: Section 8 in OKC

Priscilla ChinPosted
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Thank you! Great info. In your experience, about how many months would it take to go through this whole process?

Quote from @Kristen L Garner:

Hi Josh! I own a section 8 property in Indianapolis and have had an overall great experience.  I'd be happy to chat in more depth if you'd like to DM me. 


 Hi Kristen, I am looking to buy a property in Indianapolis and am considering section 8. Would you be open to connecting?

Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@Daniel Dixon Local investor here. Which neighborhood are you in?

If you're worried about repairs and damage sec 8 is probably not for you.   


 Hi Jaron, I am looking into buying for Indianapolis. Possibly for Section 8. Would you be open to connecting?

Post: Section 8 in OKC

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Hi everyone,

I am looking into buying a LTR property in OKC and was wondering if anyone has experience with section 8 in Oklahoma City? Would welcome anything you want to share. I am curious about ifit's hard to get approved, how long it takes to find a decent tenant, your experience with inspections, etc. If it's helpful, I am curious about these zipcodes: 73160, 73132, 73135, 73170, 73130, 73114

Thank you!

Hi everyone, 

I'm looking to buy my first long term investment property and am not sure whether I'm approaching my research for rental comps correctly. Please give me feedback!

First, I type in the zipcode to look up the rental statistics on zillow. Example with zipcode 11203:  https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/11203/


Then if the market temperature on this page says warm or hot, I'll look up a house I might want to buy in that zipcode. Example: 3bed 2 baths. And I look up 3 bed 2 bath houses for rent in that same zipcode to see houses similar to the one I chose to get a gauge for how much I can rent it out for. 

Along that process, I will come across a few homes in that zipcode that have been on the market for a while...64 days, 96 days, etc. These houses seem to be in decent condition, clear photos, etc renting at a reasonable price compared to the newer listings. When I see this, it's concerning because.. why are so many decent looking homes in a "warm" market temperature on the market for two plus months??? And that usually steers me away from that zipcode because I have to imagine that my house can possibly be vacant for months as well. 


Is that conclusion correct? Am I missing something? Are there other ways to gauge the rental demand??

Post: Should I buy in NYC or Florida?

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Quote from @Becca F.:

@Priscilla Chin

I invest in the Indianapolis metro area but I used to live there so I didn't just pick a random city. I rented out my primary home instead of selling it. It's in a Class A suburb (great schools, low crime) and has appreciated but I feel that property taxes are a big high relative to home value. I bought it in 2013 and it's doubled in value from 2013 to 2021. I bought Class C in Indy - I won't be doing that again. 

I don't know anything about Oklahoma City except that a few California investors I know are buying there. They're experienced investors and some of them buy sight unseen in multiple states - they have a high risk tolerance. 

Can you buy within a 2 to 3 hour drive of NYC? 


 Thanks Becca. In your experience,  what were the issues with class C?

Post: Should I buy in NYC or Florida?

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Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

You are too tied to those two decisions, neither which are good in my opinion. I think Jacksonville is a good market, but if I had my choice of anywhere, I would steer clear of Florida right now. If you had to pick one state with the highest change of exploding insurance premiums over what they are now, other than maybe CA, it's Florida. NYC is not even a consideration in any sense. You live in NYC and are close to so many areas where you can make a more sound multifamily investment.

Most of my holdings in my life have been in NY and the landlord-tenant laws never were much of an issue because of how I chose tenants, but it's certainly a consideration. You could go mid-state to Woodstock or Saugerties for rental options, the Catskills. You could go into NJ (although the cost to play is high in Northern, but the rents can be very nice), or you could bypass and head into PA near Delaware Water Gap and get low taxes and good renter options.


I appreciate the suggestions! Will research these places! What are your thoughts on Indianapolis or Oklahoma City?

Post: Should I buy in NYC or Florida?

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Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Priscilla Chin:

Hi everyone, 

I am located in NYC and am looking to purchase my first property for long term rental investment here. I am still new to this and there is a lot to learn! Would appreciate any tips, insights, or areas of suggested research. I am looking at multifamilies in NYC versus single family homes in Jacksonville, FL (yes there is a significant price difference), and I cannot decide between the two.

Factors I am considering.. 

NYC:

- NYC will probably appreciate at a higher rate and shorter amount of time compared to Jacksonville homes.

- I will be able to find tenants sooner in NYC compared to Jacksonville. Depending on the area in Jacksonville, I see many listings that are 60+ days old.

- Lower down because I can do FHA loan

- With the potential rent income vs monthly mortgage price, I am probably breaking even if lucky

- Pro tenant

Jacksonville:

- Total cost of home is lower, even though I will have a higher down payment because I am buying it as an investment property

- With the potential rent income vs monthly mortgage price, I might make a couple hundred a month... which can eventually be used as a down for another property?

- Home insurance I heard is higher in FL

- More landlord friendly I heard

Any and all thoughts, critiques, suggestions, or whatever factors I haven't considered would be much appreciated. I've never bought a home before and am new to this!

 Both are terrible choices NYC, super expensive and high taxes, and TERRIBLE landlord laws. Also, NYC is dead. 120 hotels house illegals! Buildings are empty.  Do you have 1 mill or more to make maybe 3% net? Fl is crashing and this is only the beginning. I LIVE in FL and am from NY. I do all my biz out of state. 


 Thanks for your input Bob! Which cities/areas do you suggest? Also, what are your thoughts on Indianapolis or Oklahoma City?

Oklahoma City, OK