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All Forum Posts by: Polly Wu

Polly Wu has started 3 posts and replied 28 times.

Post: Rehab Multifamily Property for Part Time Out of State Investors?

Polly WuPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @David Faulkner:
Originally posted by @Patrick Liska:

 My point was that it is not the best strategy for a newbie to go out of state multi family. How as a newbie are you even going to run the numbers, having never invested in a multi family before? Google it? Ask the guys and gals trying to sell you property out of state? And that is just the tip of the iceberg to analyze the property ... after you get it you still need to manage the renovations, get good tenants in, manage the property, all from thousands of miles away with absolutely zero experience doing any of those things. Everybody says no problem, just hire people to do it for you ... but the reality check is that it is a problem, a big problem with big risks that newbies always tend to gloss over but usually end up learning the hard way. Yes, there are risks to investing local, all investments have risk, but at least there you have some control to correct your mistakes and learn hands on from them.

As for the CAP example ... yes of course there are more factors that were not covered in the simplified example, some to the advantage of the high CAP market and some to the advantage of the low CAP market ... text books could be written on all those differences, but the point is that a skilled local operator can select a property and investment strategy to make lots of money in either type of market ... just because there is a low CAP rate does not mean your total profits will be lower, just like having a high CAP rate is of no assurance that your profits will be high. This is the point that many newbies do not understand and the point I'm trying to drive home. That and a new investor will learn about all those nuances much faster and with much lower risk by operating hands on and local as opposed to hiring out everything and leaving it all to the kindness of strangers in an out of state market they no nothing about except for what they read on the internet.

Hi David,

Thanks for bringing me back to earth! It is a good reality check! Yes, it is crucial how we manage our risk as a beginner investor. I agree Investing in local market will definitely be a less risky and more manageable choice. We need to re-think about our target and strategy for the local market. 

We used to live in Orange County and moved to Diamond Bar a few years ago. Just curious, any reason why you focus on buy and hold SFR instead of getting into multifamily in CA?

Post: Rehab Multifamily Property for Part Time Out of State Investors?

Polly WuPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Alex Rogers:

Hi Polly, I agree with David Faulkner .
I think it is crucial that you look to your local market initially. To me, this is important for the simple fact that it's easier to learn the process if you can be more hands on with the deal.

The process includes the purchase, rehab, lease up, stabilized management, and eventual sale of the property. Each stage requires a certain amount of oversight with the most occurring in the first 3 stages.

You are likely more familiar with the market where you live, which in turn, will help you make better purchasing decisions. If you are an active BP member (listened to the podcast or read in the forums) you have heard the term "buying right" and know the impact that it this has on the deal.

If you want to become an active investor, learning the process from purchase to sale is almost as important as making the profit. Refining your process over time is what will make your craft replicable for future deals and future dollars.

Hi Alex,  

thank you for sharing your own experience!  It's valuable info for newbie like us.  You are right, there are a lot of unknowns to do it the first time. Going out of state definitely will be more risky.  I agree we should not give up on our local market in LA. 

Post: Rehab Multifamily Property for Part Time Out of State Investors?

Polly WuPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @David Faulkner:

Hi David, great point! A lot of info I came across emphasized a lot on how increasing NOI will increase the value, and I have not thought of the impact CAP have on Value. it is very valuable advise! Thank you!

Post: New Member From Los Angeles

Polly WuPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @David Faulkner:
Originally posted by @Polly Wu:

Hi Matt,

My husband and I are from San Gabriel Valley, CA. We are on the same boat. We're new to REI and are are interested in getting into Multifamily investment. Just found out from one banker that we will not qualify for a residential loan for 1-4 units since we have a rental SFH already, so guess we will be looking for 5+units from now on.

I'm curious as to what specifically the one banker sited for denying your residential loan on an investment property? Was it lack of down payment? Your Debt to Income (DTI)? Some other underwriting policy specific to that bank? There is no other reason I could think of why you would be denied for a loan on a second investment property ... guidelines that I'm familiar with are that up to 10 conventional residential mortgages are allowed. 20 if you go with 10 under your name and another 10 under your husbands name ... so a bit surprised to here you are having trouble with 2 (or 3 if you include a primary residence) ... I would ask for the specific reason you were denied and shop around with other mortgage brokers (not necessarily direct with the bank).

 @ David Faulkner

Hi David, great advice on the 10 conventional mortgage! You were correct the reason we were declined for a jumbo loan was because of the DTI. Even though we have a good combined income and 20% down payment, both our names are on the existing two mortgages and they are in 15yrs terms. The lender suggested two actions: 1.have them re-financed for 30yrs 2. take one of our name off during the re-finance process. I will definitely try some other smaller lenders.

I did some research about the DTI and came across with a good online Maximum Mortgage calculator. Just want to share.

http://www.money-zine.com/calculators/loan-calcula...

Polly

Post: New Member From Los Angeles

Polly WuPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 5

Hi Matt,

My husband and I are from San Gabriel Valley, CA. We are on the same boat. We're new to REI and are are interested in getting into Multifamily investment. Just found out from one banker that we will not qualify for a residential loan for 1-4 units since we have a rental SFH already, so guess we will be looking for 5+units from now on.

Post: Rehab Multifamily Property for Part Time Out of State Investors?

Polly WuPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 5

Hello BP comrades,

My husband and I are new to BP. We are from L.A, both have full-time jobs. We're looking for out of state 5-10 units multi family property to start. There are a lot of books and forums talking about getting a property with rehab works. We understood that's where you make the big bucks. But as beginner part-time out of state investor, we are reluctant to deal with rehab. Does anyone have any experience in this? 

Polly

Hi Kevin,

I am at San Gabriel Valley area.  My husband and I just joined BP and love the valuable info we got here. We want to get into multi family (5-10 units) investment. No luck in/near L.A area so far.  How does your search for 4-plex go?  Good luck!

Polly