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All Forum Posts by: Patrick McGowen

Patrick McGowen has started 23 posts and replied 130 times.

Great info @Paul Caudell

 I had similar with purchase price around 170k, and replacement value nearly double.  (320k I think).  The way I understood (although my insurance agent did not explain it well) was that I would get a percentage based on the proportion of replacement cost I had insured = repair cost * (policy amount / replacement cost).  For example your tornado example 2, if you could show it was totally destroyed, you could get the full 80k, but would be responsible to either demo building or replace it  Otherwise, you would be insuring 23% of the building (80/350) so would only get 23% of repair costs.  Which seemed like an incredible risk.  Your description makes much more sense.

@Konrad L.

 make sure you check with lender, they will likely have specific rules on insurance you have to have.

Post: OC guy new to BP

Patrick McGowenPosted
  • Investor
  • Belgrade, MT
  • Posts 135
  • Votes 32

@Daniel Siapin Welcome Daniel, I lived in Irvine for a while, miss the OC.  Post projects in forum most appropriate, (forum tab - all forums to get a list of different forums).  If it doesnt fit into a forum perfectly (e.g., not really a buy and hold sfh forum), pick closest one.  Between key words, and people that read all forums enough eyes will get on it to give some feedback on strengths/weaknesses/alternative strategies for a deal you post.  Good luck.

P

Post: New and excited to be apart of BP

Patrick McGowenPosted
  • Investor
  • Belgrade, MT
  • Posts 135
  • Votes 32

Welcome to BP Josh.  I am in MT also (Bozeman).  Seems like it would be a prime opportunity for you to pick up rental real estate with owner-occupant financing.  1) Buy a place at the beginning of a job with good financing (5% down, 30-yr fixed, low rate), 2) live in it for a year (or part of a year), 3) hold onto it as a rental and move on.  Just make sure the numbers work and you stack up that down payment.  Good luck.  Keep us all posted.  

Pat

Honestly I am a little depressed as I did my yearly planning.  I burnt a lot of calories in 2014 and only closed one deal and it is a build-out and won't be cashflowing for several months. I didn't increase my cashflow at all.  Did increase my net worth some, saved 15% earned income and all passive income and invested it all (in deal mentioned).   My targets were too high and had a lot of rejected offers.  Still I learned a lot.  Next year is mostly about re-positioning and focusing efforts.  

1. I plan to turn four-plex into condos

2. Clear up access issues on piece of vacant land then ... tbd 

3. Make a solid run at syndication

the rest of my 2015 goals relate to health, family and fun

Post: Newbie from Montana

Patrick McGowenPosted
  • Investor
  • Belgrade, MT
  • Posts 135
  • Votes 32

@Timothy Netzley Welcome to BP.  I grew up in Lolo (go loggers).  Although I am in Bozeman, am investing throughout Montana.  Please keep me posted on how things go and let me know if there is anything I can help with.  

P

Since no one replied I will take a crack, but you may know more than me so may not be much help.  I have duplex in such a community.  Get a good realtor that knows the local market.  Don't trust the cap rate they give you, but get recent sales prices and rents of similar properties from realtor so you can calculate it on your own.  Check with property managers to back up rent numbers.  Using 50% rule:

cap rate = rental rate * 50% * 12 / sales price

I have heard people (@Joel Owens I think) say that commercial sized apartments (over 4) it is more like 60% expenses.  so use 40% in above.  Or better yet determine local numbers for vacancy, taxes, insurance, etc.  

Post: Dad as investor?

Patrick McGowenPosted
  • Investor
  • Belgrade, MT
  • Posts 135
  • Votes 32

It seems like there are a lot of moving parts to this deal.  I trust my dad and know he would hold to his word.  Still we attempted a deal together recently.  Never closed, but made an offer and had a draft operating agreement before deal failed.  Even though we were both fine with a verbal agreement, we were glad we went through developing written agreement.  The devils were in the details.  We would have been fine, but there would have been frustration and hurt feelings because we had a couple of differing expectations.  For the sake of the relationship I strongly recommend a joint venture and spell out everything in operating agreement.  

Post: Spend 6-figures on a Triplex Conversion or No?

Patrick McGowenPosted
  • Investor
  • Belgrade, MT
  • Posts 135
  • Votes 32

@Christopher B. You have to consider the cost of tying up 143k until property is stabilized. Otherwise, it could be good. Can you do comps to get ARV? If I follow your math and the property was priced based on cap rate and your local cap rate is say 7%, an appraiser should value this property around 190k, see if you can find any triplex comps to support this. If that is the case you should be able to finance out all your initial investment and still cashflow $361/mo. Infinite return baby!

@Christian McPherson You are making some good moves financially.  Living below your means so you have money to invest, and attempting investments (sfr and vacant land) will, if nothing else, give you hands on education.  Ultimately my advice boils down to doing three things 1) understand your investor personality (risk tolerance, goals, resources, etc.), 2) develop a plan to meet these goals, 3) sticking to the plan, compare investment choices you have that are most likely to achieve goals (as @Brian Rossiter says its all math).  Beyond this I am going to ramble a little.  

First, let me do a little back-o-the-napkin math with some guesses. Both homes might be a great appreciation play (Billings is a stable increasing market), but I don't like to bet on the market, lets just focus on cash returns. 50% rule says you are will pay about $800 of rent on expenses. Taxes and insurance (part of the 800) are buried in your $988 payment, I am going to guess about 240. So Rent 1595 - 800 expenses - 748 loan (not incl. tax&ins) = $47. Cash ROI =47*12/50,000 = 1.1%, amortization (you are probably paying 200 a month on principle with minimum payment) = 4.8%. You are making 5.9% on the 50k equity and most of this is adding equity which you can only get at if you refinance and pay fees (or sell). This actually is not bad with the potential for appreciation, but not great compared to other opportunities. However, to take advantage of other opportunities you need knowledge. What you will learn running this rental for the next year or two will be priceless.

Now, assuming you have $1000 a month from income to put toward investing.  If you pay down the loan on your rental you earn 4.5% with no additional appreciation benefit (in fact your appreciation is less magnified when spread over the equity you have in the place).  This is low risk, but low liquidity investment, with tax disadvantages.

If you pay down your primary residence loan, you will earn 4.125% for the next 40-50 months, then the additional $150/mo savings will add 3.6% (considering 50k basis).  7.8%, not bad, but that is on the tail end, initially just 4.125.  Also, consider the missed opportunity cost over the next four years.  This also is low risk, low liquidity and tax disadvantages

If you stack up those dollars and look for other deals???  Deals exist (yes even in Billings, I have seen them) where a $20,000 downpayment can get you 8% cash return, 8% amortization, all profits tax deferred, and the potential for appreciation.  

I don't really have advice, just trying to give you a framework for comparison.  Really all this is step 3 I mentioned above.  If, after taking a good look at your investor personality and developing a strategic plan, you could find that you would prefer a very safe but slow building investment.  I have a colleague that hates bank financing and tries to do everything all cash.  On the other hand I love bank financing and 30 year fixed at 4.5% makes me tingly.  Nothing wrong with either approach as long as you take a good self assessment and have a plan.  

You can actually get a blue-book price (it is a vehicle after all) on a mobile home NADAguides.com.  Improvements and the value of being in the park can change the "value" (being what someone is willing to pay for it) quite a bit.  I looked at a MH this spring, NADA said it was worth $7k, I offered $16k (based on some rent / payoff calculations mentioned by others above) and someone bought it for over $20k.  NADA will not tell you what you should pay, but is a good guide for how much "blue sky" you are buying with it.