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All Forum Posts by: Phillip S.

Phillip S. has started 6 posts and replied 52 times.

Post: Indemnity deed of trust - is it a good idea?

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64

Question for anyone who may know the ins and outs of this. I'm in the process of doing a blanket refi on two of my properties that are owned by my LLC. The bank is setting it up as a commercial loan where the LLC is the borrower and I am the guarantor. My loan officer suggested that I can avoid the county recordation tax (approx. $1200) by doing what's called an "Indemnity Deed of Trust" (IDOT), where I basically become the legal borrower IF the entity defaults. Since the debt has not yet been incurred there is no recordation tax due. Apparently this is a loophole in Maryland law that allows people to avoid the tax. The question I have is what are the drawbacks of this, if any? One question I already asked is whether the debt can stay off my personal credit report if I go this route. Still waiting on the bank for an answer.

Post: Upstairs tenant overflowed tub, insurance won't pay

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64
Originally posted by @Greg M.:
Originally posted by @Dennis M.:

The knee jerk reaction to say that’s what you get for not requiring renters assurance is not valid in my view . Firstly I highly doubt renters insurance would cover this anyways...

Just like every insurance policy, it may or may not cover the water damage depending on what is excluded. However, it's highly likely that the landlord would get paid under the liability portion of the renters insurance. The tenant might not get any coverage for their damaged property, but the landlord will likely get paid. 

 If what you said is correct, then this argues for requiring tenants to have renters insurance, for situations exactly like this one where the landlord's policy might exclude it but it could be covered by the liability portion of the tenant's policy.

Post: Upstairs tenant overflowed tub, insurance won't pay

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64
Originally posted by @Jim K.:

@Phillip S. Why is the tub overflowing? Tubs have overflow protection. OK, Scott beat me to it.

Thanks, I need to investigate.  Either the upstairs tub doesn't have that, or it's not working properly. 

Post: Upstairs tenant overflowed tub, insurance won't pay

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64
Originally posted by @Scott Mac:

Hi Phillip,

That chrome circle with the screwdriver next to it.

If you take that off, there should be a small slot in the bottom of it. 

That's the overflow. Make sure the slot is clear and the drain behind it is open.

If all is well with that, then try reducing the water flow rate to the unit by turning down the main water valve so less water comes out of the tub faucet (and all faucets) and the overflow can handle the problem.

Then test it to make sure the inflow to the tub equals the outflow by they overflow.

Good Luck!

Sorry for the dumb question, but does the chrome cover have to be off in order for the overflow drain to work?  I'm starting to wonder if the tub upstairs even has an overflow.

Post: Upstairs tenant overflowed tub, insurance won't pay

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64
Originally posted by @Andrew B.:

What did you do the first time? I hope you didn’t eat the cost.

 Afraid so :-(

Post: Upstairs tenant overflowed tub, insurance won't pay

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64
Originally posted by @Greg M.:

A lot of polices exclude water damage in a variety of different ways. Gut feeling is that unless your policy has an exclusion like this, you could probably get the insurance company to pay. However, do you really want a claim against your insurance policy for $700 in damages minus any applicable deductible? 

Yes that's a good point.  Deductible is $500, so wouldn't make much sense to file a claim for $700 when only $200 would be covered.  However this could have been much worse had a tenant been living downstairs.

Post: Upstairs tenant overflowed tub, insurance won't pay

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64
Originally posted by @Greg M.:

You suck it up and pay since you didn't require your tenant to purchase Renters Insurance which is a very basic level of protection for you. I would also start the eviction process. Two times tells me there is something mentally wrong - probably age related - with the tenant. This time the tub overflowed, but next time the stove catches fire and the building burns to the ground. 

And for everyone on this forum that says it is meaningless to require your tenants have Renters Insurance as you have your own insurance, print this out and tape it to your computer!

Thanks for the comments.  I should mention that this tenant was already there when I purchased the property, and apparently the lease she signed with the previous owner didn't require her to get insurance.  Even so, something tells me the insurance agent I spoke with is flat out wrong.  Wouldn't overflow from a tub, sink, toilet, etc. be considered "sudden and accidental" which according to the language in my policy should be covered?  Should I start looking for another insurance company?

Post: Upstairs tenant overflowed tub, insurance won't pay

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64

This has happened twice now in a span of less than 6 months.  The property is a duplex with a tenant living in the upstairs unit and the downstairs unit is presently vacant.  The upstairs tenant overflowed the tub (again) causing water damage to the downstairs unit.  It wasn't serious, but it still cost me nearly $700 to clean up with water and have the ceiling in the downstairs unit repaired / repainted.  Luckily there was nobody living in the downstairs unit at the time or else their contents could have been damaged.

After contacting my insurance company I was basically told that damages caused by the tenant's actions are not covered, and my only recourse would be against the tenant or the tenant's renter's insurance.  Problem is the tenant has no renter's insurance and is on a fixed income with little or no ability to pay for the damages (she's elderly and Section 8).  So what in the world do I do here?  

Post: What is it with Baltimore tenants?

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64
Originally posted by @Nigel Charles:

I couldn't even imagine the tenant saying they don't wanna pay and application fee or security deposit. How does that conversation even go? lol

I suspect the tenant has gotten by with it in the past and there are other landlords in the area willing to do it just to get a paying tenant in there.

Post: What is it with Baltimore tenants?

Phillip S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbia, MD
  • Posts 52
  • Votes 64
Originally posted by @Ned Carey:

@Phillip S. you probably screened 100 deals before you bought your rental.

How I wish that was the case - didn't do anywhere near enough due diligence on the property or the neighborhood.  Definitely won't make that mistake again.