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All Forum Posts by: Peter Johnson

Peter Johnson has started 1 posts and replied 3 times.

Not a RE agent but I have the data handy.

Berkely says solar properties sell faster: https://emp.lbl.gov/news/berke...

NREL Study shows homes with solar sell 20% faster and for 4-17% higher prices (413 page study - most exhaustive study on the topic to date): http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy07o...

Hey Dave - thanks for the input.

You're right - just like buying real estate: the money is in the years ahead. You'll make a lot more 5 or ten years down the line than you will on day 1, but you can still make $ on day 1.

The risk is zero for 25 years. Nothing out of pecket ever if anything ever happens to your system - you're 100% covered. Any repairs, service, replacements roof repairs/penetrations - anything. That point seems to have been missed by both of you. Things are different than they used to be in 2023 and the equipment is simply more efficent and more reliable than in the past.

Thanks again for your input guys!

With rapidly falling solar costs and the 30% tax credit, has anyone discussed the idea of "becoming the utility" for their tenants?

Most landlords can have solar installed at no up-front cost & finance it over 25  years and come very close to matching their current power costs. What does this mean?

Let's say you have a 4-plex. Your tenants are paying $150/mo ea for power now. You can buy a whole-house solar system to replace their power usage for around $125,000 (increasing the value of the property by almost that much at the same time). Including a never-a-penny-out-of-pocket-for-25-years-warranty.  Payments will be around $600-650 depending on your interest rate. 

But when you make this move, a few things happen:

1) You get a federal tax credit of 30% - $37,500 in the above example. Pay down your solar loan or use it elsewhere.

2) You gain a new revenue stream - your tenants start paying you for their electricity instead of the utility. You could get technical and install meters but a fixed montly number is probably better (so you know you're covered). And since it's solar: your property's appeal to the environmentally-friendly crowd goes way up. You can give them bragging rights for moving in. Raise rents too - people pay more to feel like they are doing their part to help the environment. Properties with solar sell faster and for higher prices too.

3) Since you are the utility now:, you get to set the price. Utilities are raising their prices a LOT these days - those bills NEVER go down. But that means you can increase the monthly tenant fee for power - since you are now the utility - to whatever you want. And if you just raise it at the rate of inflation (let's say 8%/yr) you'll be bringing in $1000/mo in 10 years and over $2400/mo in 20 years. and in 25 years when it's paid off (and you can probably pay it off much faster) you will have a free and clear $4400+/mo coming in for electricity (that costs you nothing) from a system that is paid off. Imagine if you had 20 4-plexes doing this - that's an extra $880,000/yr in revenue. Not chump change - definitely need some Bigger Pockets then!

Yes, you'll still be tied to the grid (batteries are cool for sure, but not much ROI yet) and that might cost a few bucks a month but you'll be done buying electricity from them and you'll become your tenants' utility.

What's the downside of this?

Disclosure: I sell solar, but this is a legitimate innovative strategy. And I didn't include any contact information. Happy to discuss.