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All Forum Posts by: Peter Brown

Peter Brown has started 2 posts and replied 35 times.

Quote from @Celia Lumbroso:

@Peter Brown

Hi Peter- given this specific scenario I think in the long run it will cause issues if you're planning to sell both houses to primary home owners. 

If the houses are to be used for short term rentals (6 months or less) or as a  Air BNB rental then I think you could manage a work-around.  Depends what type of client you're trying to target. 

Right. I guess another possibility would be to demo the pool so that there's no encroachment at all. 

There is a house being wholesaled and it conveys with two lots.  My idea is to buy the property, resell the house on the first lot at a small profit, while keeping the second lot to build and flip a house later.  The only complication is the owner of the property built a swimming pool right on the line between the two lots.  Is there anyway to create a shared use of the pool for both the houses?  Or is this a totally crazy idea?  

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Quote from @Cathy Bui:

Hi all,

I have a triplex rental property which I do not live in. I wish to do renovations on it. The lenders I've spoken to do not offer HELOC or home equity loans for triplex rental properties. I've only found cash out refinances but I currently have a good rate on my mortgage and don't wish to leave that. Can anyone offer ideas on how I could gain funds for renovations without putting too much of cash into it? Thank you all!

In the past I've done as much work as I can myself and purchased materials on credit either through the stores or on credit cards.   
How extensive are you planning to go?  More than paint and flooring?    I've refinished tons of wood floors,  cabinets and countertops for inexpensive upgrades as well.  

 LOL...I thought I was the only one who DIY's :)  My challenge has been to get out of the DIY mindset to be more an investor and less an amateur contractor. 

I share the frustration..perhaps someone can explain what motivates "investors" to buy money losing properties but this is definitely what is happening.  Are they waiting for another buyer to come along and pay an even crazier price?  Are they waiting for rents to climb even further to get them into positive cash flow?  

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Quote from @Eliott Elias:

Are you cash flowing? Do you believe in the growth of the area? If yes than you have a good deal 


 With principle and interest at 560 with 20percent down, idk if it will cash flow. When the other side is complete probably 1200 in rent. With taxes and insurance I’m sure that’s another 150 bucks a month, Maintenance, water, sewer, trash. I do have faith the area will grow over time but might be awhile. I’m trying to think of the equity I would build over time but that’s lot of work to build a little bit of equity. With the size of it, if it was just a 3bed 2 bath house in the area it’d be worth $170k. But its 1 bed 1 bath units on each side so I don’t know if I would ever be able to get 170k for it with rents only at 1200. 

I would back bill the tenants for water and sewer. 
Quote from @Chase Hoover:

Softball...... Shenandoah Valley VA!


 Any towns specifically you like? Most of what I see that usually comes available is in Front Royal.

Post: 16 years old trying to bird dog for investors

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Quote from @Tina Jenkins:

5,000 SQFT 2 Story Historic Brick Building. 2 Apartment newly renovated. 1 Gift Shop, 1 Restaurant w/ Bar, 1 Office area, All Restaurant and Equipment included plus tables and POS system. This is honestly a steal. I have another career and do not have the time to run it.

Where is it? Is there an MLS listing?

Quote from @Mike Lambert:

@Marina OLeary

@Aaron B.

There is no site specifically for Mexico but AirDNA works there and has data indeed. I don't use them though because they're totally unreliable. This is because, unlike in the US, there are several markets in function of the quality of the property and the rental rates vary widely. You could easily make twice as much money than your neighbor while Airdna thinks the properties are similar. So, a 1 BR isn't the same as another 1 BR if you see what I mean. In the same area of the same city, you can make a killing if you own the right property or you can make little money if you own the wrong one.

So, instead of using AirDNA, I reverse engineer. I decide what minimal rate of return I want. I know the price of the property and I can precisely estimate the expenses. That gives me the revenue I need to make to get my return. Then, I calculate the nightly rate I'd need to charge if I had 100% occupancy. Invariably, that rate has been so low that I know that, should I charge that rate, I'd get 100% occupancy indeed. So, I know that I can get my minimum return and potentially much more given that I can rent at a higher rate. Hope that makes sense. Of course, my knowledge of the market helps here but, irrespective of that, the daily rates I've been getting have been so low that they were a no brainer anyway.

This is a real puzzle for me. As an LTR investor, I'm puzzled as to why there are such dramatic differences in montly income for STRs. In some cases, the STRs are probably just casual owners offering the place only a few days a month. In other cases, the property is just worse. But in many cases it really seems like there is a huge difference in management.  What I'm getting at is it seems like management is a bigger factor in STR returns than LTR returns? Is this true in your experience?

Post: Best Market for MFU to CashFlow and Appreciate

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Quote from @Cody L.:
Quote from @Peter Brown:

@Cody L. Good point. This is basic finance that more expensive appreciating assets cash flow less and vice versa. The lower cap rates you see in the more expensive markets reflect both perceived lower risk higher upside due to expectation of stronger demand and rising rents.

My first deal was a duplex in a poorer neighborhood that cash flowed like mad...CoC returns 70-80% and up but higher risk and more management headaches over time. And more capex too as properties in poorer areas deteriorate faster. And years later the appreciation has been modest.

It really comes down to your time horizon and whether you want mostly cash or mostly appreciation.


 Also the money is made by looking at the market and finding where it's 'wrong'.  i.e., if you have a property in an area that trades for a lower cap rate than it should, sell it and buy one that's trading for a cap rate that's higher than it should be.    Even though various markets have their own returns based on where all buyers/sellers agree, I see some areas that sell for more than they should (IMO) and some that sell for less than they should (IMO)

Exactly. The STRs were and still are in some cases great deals because the price of SFH in certain markets did not reflect the potential income stream that could be generated, with the right management. So the market was temporarily "wrong" there. 

But over time we would expect prices in certain areas to reset to level out the premium of STRs relative to LTRs to reflect actual differences in management intensity, seasonality, and higher level of service needed for STRs and not simply the easy $$ arbitrage: "who knew there's people who will shell out $250 a night 20 nights a month for this place when i was only getting $1000 a month with this LTR?" 

So now the market is correcting the prices are rising, the margins are narrowing and the winners in STR will be those who excel at management, marketing and value add. 
Quote from @Melissa Wesling:

My Michigan properties did better than my Florida property and that can be for a variety of reasons. I'll reach out to you and would be happy to look into different STR markets.


 Interesting. Where do you own in Michigan and is there much of a shoulder season there?  Any winter bookings?