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All Forum Posts by: Pete Harper

Pete Harper has started 90 posts and replied 495 times.

Post: 1031 into upREIT

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490
Quote from @Jon Taylor:

@Pete Harper

Section 721 of the Internal Revenue Code allows an investor to exchange property held for investment or business purposes for shares in a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) without triggering a taxable event. The transaction allows investors to increase the liquidity and diversification of their real estate investments while deferring costly capital gains and depreciation recapture taxes that may result from the sale of a property.

Benefits:

REITs also can provide the same ongoing benefits of real estate ownership including income, depreciation tax shelter, principal pay down, and appreciation. Many REITs continue to make acquisitions on an ongoing basis. This allows the investor to benefit from future buying opportunities in the REIT without triggering any capital gains or depreciation recapture tax events. *Please note: As Dave mentioned, not all REITs allow for ongoing depreciation, but some do. It's important to understand the difference, and I'd recommend sticking with the REIT with depreciation advantages.

The Tax Cut and Jobs Act (TCJA) includes a 199A deduction and applies to certain income from pass-through entities (including REIT dividends) and allows individuals to take the 20% deduction against REIT dividend distributions that yields an effective tax rate of 29.6% or 37% (80% for upper bracket filers). But the 199A is scheduled to sunset in 2025 under the TCJA unless made permanent.

It wouldn't be uncommon for some investors to only realize taxable income on 40-50% of their dividend distributions in today's current environment (I have seen this personally).

You asked about fees, so one quick comment. Often times the transaction between the DST and the REIT involve a significantly lower commission for the brokers. As such, many aren't incentivized to advise you along that path (sad but true). Instead, the commission is passed along to the investor in the form of increased equity.

Most of the time, the REIT has liquidity as an option. This is great of your accountant who may choose to advise that you liquidate shares during a tax year where you realize some loss elsewhere. It's also a great way to pass buildings down to your kids who want nothing to do with the active management business. Instead of saddling them with a $5M commercial property (for instance), you can turn that into 166k shares and divide them amongst your kids (who are in line to get a full step-up in basis when you pass away).

Gotchas:

The UPREIT is sometimes an option, and sometimes a mandate. It's really important to understand the difference. There are examples of DSTs that included an exit into a REIT that DID NOT ALLOW the investor to do a 1031 exchange. The investor was unaware of this previously. Horrible.

The REIT is essentially a "blind pool" investment. The Trustee of the REIT can buy and sell properties within the REIT without triggering a capital gain event to you as the investor, however, this flexibility also allows the operators to potentially add properties to your investment portfolio that may expose you to risks or asset classes you were previously unaware of.

There are a couple of sponsors I am aware of that carve individual properties out of the REIT, into a DST, then pull them back into the REIT at a significant mark-up to the DST investor. This is important to understand on the front end when you are investing in the DST.

Summary:

If you are making an investment into a DST with a REIT exit, you are aligning yourself with the sponsor in a long-term way. It's more important than ever to understand what you are getting yourself into. I'd encourage you to evaluate the REIT first, then the DST second. And in some ways, the DST becomes less (*slightly less*) important in that scenario. It's a gateway into the investment you actually want to make.

I'd recommend you put yourself in a position to take advantage of a REIT exit as an OPTION, not an OBLIGATION. Test the waters with the sponsor for 3-5 years as they hold the properties in the DST, then decide if you want to align with them as a part of your long estate plan.

Last (and best) recommendation: Ask your broker what the funds from operations (FFO) ratio is. All REITs are required to show their FFO calculations on their public financial statements. The FFO figure is typically disclosed in the footnotes for the income statement. If the FOO ratio is less than 100%, hard pass. That means they are paying dividends out of investor capital or debt, instead of NOI. That easy question to answer will be a really great litmus test in your due diligence toolbox.

If you are evaluating a REIT, it would be wise and prudent to do your homework and select the appropriate professional to guide you. It can be a wonderful tool.


 Great summary.

I want to make sure I fully understand my options going forward. From your advice I want to delay going into a REIT.

1031 --> DST --> REIT Once I'm in a REIT I can no longer transfer w/o paying taxes.

1031 --> DST --> DST2 --> DST3...... Can I move from DST to DST w/o paying taxes?

1031 --> DST --> 1031(2) Can I move from DST back to into 1031 Real estate?

Thanks, Pete

Post: 1031 into upREIT

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490
Quote from @Jackson Hanssen:

@Pete Harper

A 721 exchange is the end of the line. Once you're into the REIT you're either going to pay taxes or die and get the step-up basis. So it really limits your flexibility. If you're still fine holding the assets directly, why not just 1031 the underperforming property back into other assets closer to home?

We do not anticipate having to tap the equity in the future.  The goal is estate planning where our children would enjoy the step-up basis.

We are in a very rural area.  I'm already the #3 owner in the county.  We've pretty well saturated the local market.  We are forced to invest elsewhere. 

Post: 1031 into upREIT

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490

 We did a 1031 exchange into a 10 unit apartment building.  The property is underperforming the other properties in our 40 unit portfolio.  We've been consolidating our properties closer to our home location.  This is the furthest property so we can't give it the attention it needs.    One of the options we are considering is selling and rolling the equity into a upREIT.  I read were there is an option under 1031-271.  I wanted to confirm my understanding is correct.  We can use 1031-271 to reinvest equity from a 1031 property into an upREIT while maintaining tax deferral. 

Post: What happened to David and Rob on the BP Podcast?

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490

I'm a longtime BP follower.  I started listening just after Josh left the show.  I really enjoyed the early Brandon/David G shows.  Lots of good practical advice, great deep dives, and real stories from everyday investors.  Brandon was the heart and soul of the show.  "Doing well by doing good."  After Brandon moved on the vibe of the show definitely changed.  It became the Real Estate Bro show.  Full of hype and questionable get rich schemes. David is still a great resource, I have read his books, I just don't need all the hype.  I stopped watching the pod cast some time ago.  He totally lost me with the video game wholesalers who bragged about closing deals on the phone while playing Call of Duty. I switched over to Dave Myers "On the Market" podcast some time ago.  Good solid information without all the hype.  Dave M's regular co-hosts of Kathy, James, and Henry offer diverse regional and investment styles.  Real people.  Hopefully BP will go back to their roots and rediscover their heart and soul.

Best of luck to David G and Rob.  I'm sure they will land on their feet with another gig.

Post: Tiny Home Development

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490

Graham,  I looked into modular.  There are not any local manufacturers.  I found information S2A modular however they don't look reputable.  Can you suggest someone?

Post: Texas Multifamily Commercial Insurance Quotes

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490

I'm having difficulty finding insurance providers in Central Texas.  I have two multifamily properties that I would like to have quoted.

First property is a 12 unit apartment complex located in Fairfield, Texas. There are two separate buildings, first building is 6 units 2 BR/1BA. The second building is 6 units 1BR/1BA. Buildings are all brick, roof replaced in 2020. No claims. Building held in LLC.

Second property is a 10 unit apartments in Conroe, Texas. 10 units with 2BR/1BA. This is a two story all brick building, roof replaced in 2017. No claims. Building held in LLC.

If you are interested quoting shoot me a PM. 

Thanks, Pete

Post: Section-8 Investors Please give your opinions / thoughts!

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490
Quote from @Avi Zarbavel:

Hello Bigger Pockets, My team and I are looking for a tip to point us into the right direction of how to convert our current tenant from regular rent she pays to a Sect. 8 Voucher (where rents in that zip code are much higher), she will have a percentage of the monthly rent paid for her by the government. Where we find a drawback on this move is our lack of knowledge of the legality of the question: "Can the Investment owner  Legally ask their tenant to try to apply for the section 8 voucher?" If anyone knows the answer please leave a reply and any other cool section 8 or real estate tips / things to avoid.

Thanks!

Avi.

Section 8 voucher system really doesn't work that way.  The tenant would need to apply for the program and be approved.  There is normally a waiting list.  Once they are approved you would need to have your property inspected and approved as well.  This inspection is normally just a formality looking for health and safety issues.  In your specific case I don't see a lot that you can do.  I'd suggest increasing rent to market at the next available opportunity in your lease.  If the tenant decides to move you have the opportunity to re-rent to a more qualified individual at Market Rent.

Generally we consider section 8 the bottom of the market.  Your local housing authority will publish a list of market rent based on the size of the unit.  If your current rents are below the HUD market rent in your area you have an issue.  Either your current rents are too low and/or the property is in poor condition. We frequently inherit section 8 tenants with the purchase of a new property.  Our strategy is to improve the property and raise rents above the HUD rate.  In the meantime section 8 provided reliable income stream to assist with carry costs.

Post: Tiny Home Development

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490

Ed, The deal fell through on the land we were going to purchase.  The idea is on the back-burner for now.

We have two other in-town properties with enough land for 4-6 tiny homes each.  There is no zoning so this would be perfect for in-fill project.  In both cases I would connect to city sewer and water.  I wouldn't want to own the units.  Tiny homes depreciate in value similar to mobile homes.  Business plan would be to rent lots for $400-500/month, tenants pay all utilities.  When I get a chance I will investigate further.  I still haven't figured out lot development costs.

Post: Tiny Homes? Container Homes? Trendy small community homes?

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490

I'm interested in doing something similar in Central Texas.  

Post: Quote: 6 unit Apartments in Central Texas

Pete HarperPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Streetman, TX
  • Posts 519
  • Votes 490

I was able to find an agent and now have insurance. Thanks