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All Forum Posts by: Pedro Torres

Pedro Torres has started 2 posts and replied 15 times.

Post: Cash vs Financing on low cost properties?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

@Jonathan R. - Well that doesn't help that there isn't a universal system in place. I'd consider where I currently live to be a C+ neighborhood, but I have friends that say I live in a ghetto and some are legit afraid to come to my house. Then I have other friends that say I live in an amazing neighborhood and wish they had my house. I did some searching on gosection8.com just now and saw the competition (I used 48224 as the example), the impression I got is that with a decent street and a good internal rehab they all kinda seem the same around $850 rent. 

@Jim K. I'll check into the "Roth IRA ladder conversion." Seems like another big issue is that the rating system is different for each person, one persons D-class is different than another.

Post: Cash vs Financing on low cost properties?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

@Tim Jacob - Thank you for the insight. These are things that I'm going to have to look into depending on where I invest, still not set on the city yet. How would you handle the water bill? Charge them slightly more rent or have them pay for it? I've heard both ways. Didn't even factor in an alarm system. In your experience what's the vacancy rate in lower end areas? Are we talking about a few months between tenants or 6 months? 

Also where does everyone find an accurate measure of an area? I know we talk about A B C D ratings but even the property that I liked before is in a C neighborhood according to Niche.com 

https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/n/morningside...

Or lets look at a property like this: 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/...

https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/n/east-englis...

These are all considered C or C+ areas...but how accurate is that really?

Post: Cash vs Financing on low cost properties?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

Thank you again for everyone that responded. 

@Dennis M. - I'm not worried about anything. Not worried about finding a PM willing to service, finding tenants, or being the most knowledgeable about the area at the moment. I'm not pulling the trigger on any deals at the moment, I haven't decided on what area I'm going to invest in yet...it might not even be for another year before I buy a property. It was buying cash vs financing and I used the money in my bank account as a starting point (25k) Maybe I should have just made up a number and said 50k instead. "You think because you're flying out and touring the building or driving around for a weekend it's going to make you a knowledgeable investor for the area lol?" - First of all, I never made that claim that just doing so would make me knowledgeable in the area. I also never said I'd be up there for just a weekend either. I understand the power of doing research and making connections in the area of where I invest before just rushing in to buy a property. So don't insult my intelligence with your assumptions on what you think I believe, if I thought I had all the answers and a solid plan I wouldn't be on this forum asking questions. 

@Matt M. - I can see how that experience would be an issue. I haven't seen the properties with my own eyes for 25k and below yet, I could have the same experience you did and not want any of them then save my money to possibly purchase 50k or 75k. That's the real idea behind this, save and use cash vs financing. 

@Jim K. We would all do things differently if we went back in time. With my current life I'm past the point of being willing to house hack, yeah if I went back 13 years I would have done it easily. We also have a different investment/retirement goals from the sound of it, I think 401ks are a joke unless your employer is matching (and even then, what's the point if the goal is to quit my job sooner rather than later) and same with an IRA. I'd rather spend that money on the possibility of gaining an income generator instead of having a retirement fund that penalizes me for taking gains out early. Don't get me wrong though I am taking your advice into consideration, I know there are people that have had terrible experiences with 25k properties...but there are also people that have made it work. I'm trying to do as much research to tip things into my favor and like I said before maybe that does require me saving more money.

I'm still on the fence on this cash vs financing thing though. Let's use 35k since someone else mentioned that number.

I purchase a property for 25k and put 10k into rehab, all cash. I rent out the property for $700 a month ($8400) a year. Property management takes 10% ($840 a year) leaving me with $7560 for the year. Let's assume that it's vacant for 3 months while trying to find a tenant -$2100, now I have $5460 for the year. During the rehab I fixed the major issues with the property, so lets throw out -$1000 for repairs throughout the 9 months it was rented to a tenant, leaving me with $4,460

Is that so bad? (I know the numbers are made up, if someone can give me a real life example of how their property is doing that would be a big help) It's nice to know that since I paid for the property in cash that I don't have to cover a mortgage while it's vacant. I'm also not looking for appreciation since I would have purchased in cash, it would be a bonus though to land a property near a gentrification area.

I forgot taxes and insurance but you get it. I'll still come out making money. 

Post: Cash vs Financing on low cost properties?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

@Eric Wagner Yeah, I do worry about situations like that. I just updated my profile to show where I'm from, ideally I would like to invest here in Las Vegas but everything got expensive here lately. I purchased my house 3 years ago for 150k and now it's around 212k and it keeps increasing (I also don't live in a great neighborhood). Great that I have equity in my current one but when I look for investment properties it's hard. 

Just a quick look shows that for 150k I could get Mobile homes (in parks), Condos, and a few townhomes (all with a high HOA fee). I know you can make money here in Vegas but I think it's geared more towards the established investor.

Post: Cash vs Financing on low cost properties?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

Thank you all for the responses. 

@Matthew Paul The sample property that I linked is just for a reference, from my research that I've done over a few months on the MLS I've seen houses like that all over the Detroit area spanning different neighborhoods. With cash though I'd like to get off the MLS and find better deals. As for the bundling of houses, my assumption (and I know it's not good to assume) is that those properties were purchased and left to rot a long time ago which is why they are unappealing. Doesn't mean the entire city is doomed.

@Jamiel Strickland I read your post about investing in Detroit, what are your thoughts on property management? Some have mentioned that nobody will want to service parts of Detroit, do you find that true? Would you stick in the 25k range or have you found that upping it to 50k brings better results? 

@Marcus Auerbach Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a seasoned investor have the credit/cash to purchase and invest in "higher end" cities/neighborhoods? My thought process is that why would they settle for $500 a month rent in Detroit when they can goto another city and get $1500 a month rent? Sounds like established investors would have moved on from cities/deals like these but that makes room for others like me to start investing

@Jim K. I can admit that I don't know anything about Detroit and it's areas which is why I'm still doing my research. I've read posts on Morningside and did google searches, some people say they like investing there and others say that it's not worth it. Doesn't seem to be a universal agreement on Detroit in general. You do bring up a great point which I'm going to look into further which is property management and how they service less desirable areas. Again, that property I linked was just an example. The 25k I have isn't fixed, it grows every month and with research maybe I will find out that 35k properties is the way to go or 50k, maybe I have to use some of that for rehab...maybe I use financing for rehab. I'm still in the researching phase. 

Post: Cash vs Financing on low cost properties?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

Hello everyone, 

I'm looking into buying my first property. Currently I have 25k in cash (with 2k added each month from my 9-5 job) and was looking to buy in the east (Milwaukee, Cleveland, or Detroit areas), because of how inexpensive these properties are. I want to buy and hold. 

The question is, do you think it's financially better to buy a property in cash or use my HELOC (5.5%)?

Here's an example property, something like this is what I'm looking for: 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5524-Maryland-S...

Of course I will fly to Detroit and check out multiple properties while I'm down there. Also take time off of work to organize contractors for the light rehab that needs to be done. Check to see if there are any taxes or other expenses attached to the property before purchasing it. Hire a good property manager. Check the neighborhood (currently according to niche I live in a D+ area and I've been happy for the 2 years I've lived here. 

So I really just want to know is it worth spending my 25k, buying and holding. Then repeating the process by saving up money from my 9-5 and rental income to purchase another house in cash? Maybe this time upping the price to 35k. Then 45k. Then 55k etc. 

What do you all think? 

Post: I know absolutely nothing about renovations. What should I know?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

Before you read my opinion. Just know that I am not an investor yet, I only have one house and it's the one I live in. (I have to build my credit up before I apply for a HELOC to fund my first purchase) The only experience I have is that I have remodeled parts of my house. Some things I hired a contractor for and other things I did myself.

With that being said, I understand how you feel about looking at properties and not knowing what needs to be fixed or replaced. It's hard when you are just looking at pictures and sometimes they exclude certain parts of the house so you question if they are hiding a disaster. 

First thing you have to do is figure out if you are planning on flipping or renting out the property. There is a big difference. One you are trying to build value and the other you are just trying to provide a comfortable living space. 

Let's have a simplified example. 

You purchase a property and you know for sure that the bathroom needs a rehab. The last owner decided to just be destructive and wrecked the place. You see a picture and it's just a mess. Broken tile, cabinets hanging off the wall, dry wall holes, etc. 

One way to go about it is to just go to a local home depot and have someone check out the bathroom and redesign it for you. Easy. Simple. Then you can focus on something else, possibly your next buy or next steps. But do you want to trust someone else with your money? Some companies are more honest than others but ultimately they are about making money. 

The better way to go about it is to do a bit of research. 

Estimate the sq ft of the bathroom. Measure your own bathroom if you have to or your parents bathroom. It's just to get a rough estimate in your head. 

Assume you have to replace all the tile. Go on home depots website and check prices (materials are the easiest thing to estimate since the price is straight up). Keep in mind that this is a rental, so you don't want the fanciest tile. Your goal is to find a tile that is durable and will hold up for as long as possible, so read the reviews or even go to the store in person. Don't over think the material! Remember it's about making a comfortable home not a fancy one. Then goto a site like: https://www.homeadvisor.com/cost/flooring/install-... that way you can get a median price of how much an installer would cost. 

...I want to add that this all depends on the neighborhood also, if you're in a rich A class neighborhood then you better be getting quality that matches, but since you're starting out I'm assuming you will be in the less than 100k range. 

From there you repeat the process with the other things. Drywall, paint, toilet, sink, bathtub, windows, etc. 

You'll know if you can salvage stuff later, like counter tops and cabinets. You could apply a fresh coat of paint over them without replacing them. 

The tricky part is if the electric, plumbing, roof, and foundation. You can estimate the costs the same way but it's harder to know if the roof has a leak in the pictures without setting foot in the property. 

As you know some listings will say "needs roof rehab, needs electric work" at least you can prepare for the worst and budget accordingly.

Another method is to just assume those major things are broken and add it to the rehab estimate. After estimating the worst, is it still a good buy? If it is then there is nothing but savings when you find out that instead of a new roof it just needs some shingles replaced. 

Hopefully I wasn't rambling and this was helpful. This is how I evaluate, I'm sure there are better ways but you should at least know what materials usually cost and the average labor rate in your area. 

Post: Tips on Partnerships?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

This is something I've been trying to research for awhile. I'm in a position to provide some capital in areas like Toledo or Milwaukee but I'd rather not fly back and forth (I'm from Vegas) so a partnership with someone locally makes sense in my head. Not sure how practical it is though. 

Post: First time investor

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

Isn't Portland, OR extremely expensive? 

Post: Is this a bad deal?

Pedro TorresPosted
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 17

Sounds like more information is needed. 

What city is it in? 

What's the condition? Will it need a rehab? 

How long has it been listed? If it's been up for awhile you  might be able to get away with offering a lot less.