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All Forum Posts by: Craig Jones

Craig Jones has started 0 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: Raise lot rent or back bill utilities?

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

Hi Brandon,

I'd say Andrew is right on the money with his advice.  When I saw your comment about billing back prior to installing meters it prompted me suggest you will want to take a look at any statutes in your state which regulate how utility billing is to be done.  There are potentially some rules to follow and pitfalls to avoid.  

Best to you,

Craig

Post: Need some advice on next move to make

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

Hey Kerri,

I feel your pain.  This is a challenging time in the market cycle.  Debt is easy to come by and still great rates, but of course the market prices are high in the areas you are familiar with which makes cash flowing the properties difficult.  

In looking at the options you are considering, I’d definitely steer away from taking on debt to stockpile cash waiting for the market to turn.  If you had a plan to put the borrowed money to work earning a net gain then that would be a different story.  Your mention of becoming a hard money lender could be an option to this end.  It would allow you to invest in some short term notes, maybe with builders, to keep your money earning a net return while only being committed for a short time frame.  This would allow you to reasses the market as each note comes due and decide if you want to lend again, or if the market conditions are right for investing.  Make sure you understand this business model well and the associated risks if you entertain this path.  Lots of risk as the market turns with this one.  Rates are also lower now as there is so much money looking for a good home.  I’m building now and there is plenty of hard money available at 8%.

Other thoghts to consider. You mention options of buying and holding properties which is a long term strategy. You also then are considering using a HELOC for funds to employ a long term strategy. In my book, these two don't tie together well. I know some banks are doing fixed rate HELOCs now, but I don't know how long the terms can be with fixed rates. Make sure your rates are fixed and make sure the term will work with your strategy. It is no fun to be caught holding property in a down market with escalating interest costs or notes coming due with your only options being expensive loans or selling at the wrong time. You might be better off paying more in fees to get a cash out refinance so you can fix your rate and term to match a long term investment approach.

Buying in solid cash flow markets could be a good option if you can find the right team.  I’ve considered this, but have yet to come close to feeling comfortable with this option.  I’ve heard way too many horror stories.

It sounds like you are busy building another business so another thought could be to partner with someone you trust who’s full time business is investing.  This would allow you to focus on your business.  I know my partners feel comfortable knowing that I’m looking after their real estate interests like my own because they are one in the same.  There are so many ways to partner with someone.  It is critical to find a structure that works well for you.  If this interested you then you can start by reaching out to your network and look for referrals.  If you want to keep your investments in the Portland area I can recommend some people with high levels of integrity to connect with.  Feel free to PM me for info.

One last thought with regard to vacation rentals.  We own some in Bend and I’d agree you hit the nail on the head with cleaning staff and turn over being a challenge.  I’ve lost count of the cleaning staff we have gone through over the years with our rentals.  It is one of the most challenging aspects of the vacation rental model.  Bend specifically is also challenging because of the newer laws making finding a well located vacation home difficult.  If you consider buying a vacation rental in another market, make sure you understand the laws associated with short term rentals.  Many markets are implementing changes.

Best wishes in figuring out your path.  Happy to help with additional input or get on the phone if that helps.  I’m back in the country July 7 if you want to PM me and set up a call.  

Cheers - Craig

Post: How to find houses with loan defaults.

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

Many county websites will post the NODs. For delinquent payments, you would need to buy a list. These lists would be prior to the Notice of Default being filed. They are likely sources from credit reporting agencies. 

Post: How to find houses with loan defaults.

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @Robert Brue:

I am looking for potential sellers who are in default on their loan but are not in foreclosure yet. Has anyone had success getting this information from lenders? From any other source?

Robert,

I'm not sure, but it seems to me that based on your question, you are asking about getting a list of properties where the borrower is late on their payments, but has not yet been issued a Notice of Default. If this is what you are hunting for then MailingList.org is one source for these lists. You could target 60 or 90 day late payments and try to get in front of home owners prior to them getting their NOD. I have not done this yet, but it seems there are some clear pro's and con's.

The big advantage of course is that you could be the only one or at least one of only a very few to market to this group since most people are targeting those who have already received their NOD. The down side is that many people in this situation are not ready to face the reality of what is happening, or are still holding out hope that the bank will not foreclose.

You will have to pay for Pre-NOD (late payment) lists, but if you are just after NOD lists there are a free sources. Title company, zillow, county websites, etc.

Cheers,

Craig

Post: How can I tap into my equity for investing?

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

Another option is to stay away from banks and look for private funding.  There are lots of people out there right now looking for a safe and secure investment.  Start talking with friends and family to see if you can find someone in your sphere who would be interested in a loan secured by a well performing rental property.  My experience in dealing with banks vs. private parties has been that I get better terms by far from private parties.  

Post: Vacation rental markets Hawaii versus Oregon

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

Hello @Christina Brown,

Sorry to be late to respond here, but wanted to chime in with a bit of a clarification based on  @Neal Collins comment.  In Bend they did revise the development code a couple years ago to limit vacation rentals to one per 250 foot radius unless you live in the home.  Bend does allow for higher densities in some specified areas, but the highly desirable, walk-able, close in neighborhoods are already pretty saturated and have become quite expensive.  We are looking for additional rental units and having a hard time finding anything that will pencil.

If Bend hits your radar again I'd be happy to share info about what I see in the marketplace at that time.

Best of luck to you!

Post: Bend, Redmond, Sisters, Madras, La Pine, Culver, Prineville

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

I'd love to join in as well.  I'm available any day and pretty much any time except Thursday the 27th.  I'll keep an eye out for the meeting time and will look forward to meeting some more local investors.  

Cheers,

Craig

Post: Just got on the boat in Bend, Oregon

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

Hey Devin,

Welcome to Bigger Pockets!  Great info here and lots of people to help someone get started.  Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you.  If you want to get into real estate investing with little to no money then you will need a bunch of knowledge so you can can bring something to the table.  

I have certainly done deals where I didn't put any of my money in, but rather found and structured the deal and then used a partners money.  What I was able to contribute though is knowledge.  I feel it is important to always bring value of some sort.  

Start reading a ton here and let me know if there are questions I can help you with along the way.

Cheers,

Craig

Post: Money Partner Deal Feedback

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

Post: Money Partner Deal Feedback

Craig JonesPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 14

Hey William,

This sounds like it could have the makings of a great partnership.  I like that you have known this person for years and that he has experience in real estate investing that he is bringing to the table along with the capital.  

In my opinion it is important to keep in mind that you are forming a partnership with the proposed LLC. Buy and hold real estate investing is a long term game and partnerships have a very very high failure rate. I would say most fail because they are never given the proper attention before formation. Putting a plan together "after work one day" and then moving quickly to purchasing real estate is a recipe for disaster. I see you are planning to put together a contract agreement with a lawyer, which is good, but that agreement needs to be preceded with some significant discussions between you and your potential partner.

My wife and I recently looked at partnering with another couple on some real estate investments and other business opportunities.  We found an extensive list of questions to go through together which was designed to help us all understand each other better.  Over three separate four hour meetings we finally discovered that there were some significant barriers to moving forward together.  This came out in the third meeting, which means we had over eight hours of focused discussions which were all leading to a green light for the partnership before we unearthed the deal breaker.  

As a starting point I would run through all kinds of "What if" scenarios. What if the property is vacant and the LLC needs to make the mortgage payment? What if one of you does something that causes a financial loss for the LLC...how is that handled. What if each partner has a very different idea of how to move forward in an area of the business? What happens if your 0% interest loan is not paid back on time? What if one partner is not meeting their obligation to perform designated tasks?

I would want to make sure I share the same values with any business partner.  Make sure you both have the same definition of integrity.  Clearly define responsibilities of each member in writing.  

I have several partners on various properties and think partnerships have the potential to make a bigger and better whole than the sum of the individual parts.  You just need to make sure you treat the formation of a partnership with the respect and attention it deserves.