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All Forum Posts by: Paul Whitney

Paul Whitney has started 1 posts and replied 5 times.

Thank you all for all your responses and insight. While initially, I was looking at that 1% rule or 8.3 GRM as my goal, that does open up some potential negative results, particularly in regards to expenses. Those properties that meet those criteria would, most likely, be either older, in need of upgrades or extensive repairs OR, be in neighborhoods with tenants that are very hard on properties. I've revised my specific target to be a class B or better neighborhood property that can actually achieve a 7.5% CAP rate or better. It would be an all cash offer, so principle/interest would not be an expense.

Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Paul Whitney

Recommend you first figure out the property Class you want to invest in, THEN figure out the corresponding location to invest in.

Property Class will typically dictate the Class of tenant you get, which greatly IMPACTS rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

If you apply Class A assumptions to a Class B or C purchase, your expectations won’t be met and it may be a financial disaster.

If you buy/renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what quality of tenant will you get?

Similarly, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A 4-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

So, when investing in areas they don’t really know, investors should research the different property Class submarkets.

Here’s our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (use as a template for your target area!) that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover tenant nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620 (approaching 22% probability of default), many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560 (almost 30% probability of default), little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

The City of Detroit has 183 Neighborhoods we’ve analyzed.

DM us if you’d like to discuss this logical approach in greater detail!

Drew, Thank you so much for the reply and explanations of the different classes of properties AND tenants.  I couldn't agree more with your words, although i frequently, greedily, start my research with the cash flow properties.  Lessons have been learned there!  But, having said that, I’m 65, recently retired, and AM heavily focused on cashflow.  I’m sure my kids would rather me focus on appreciation!  Anyway, i guess my true goal is to find a property(s) in a landlord friendly state with the best class property (A or B), attracting the best class tenants (A or B), while STILL producing attractive cashflow.  Based on my newly stated goals, where would you (or anyone reading) personally deploy your investment dollars?  Thank you for your words and advice.
Quote from @Bradley Buxton:

@Paul Whitney

I'm a former SLO resident myself, moved up to Reno Tahoe Nevada. There will be multiple markets that you can invest. The 1% rule you speak of is a great goal. This will limit your choices to the lower cost markets mostly in the midwest and south. Consider the other factors or out of state management, travel, time, and lifestyle. This could eat up that 2k cash flow quite quickly. A market that has a balance of cashflow and equity and something closer to CA like AZ, NV or maybe even a less expensive CA market like Fresno. Let your goals drive you to the best market. 


Thanks Bradley,

I currently have a 4plex in Bakersfield and a couple SFR in the Sacramento area. While i haven't had any horror stories in the last 15+ years, I'm interested in more landlord friendly states. Travel is not too big an issue and i will have the properties managed. Having said all that, i am open to check out any interesting properties that are presented to me.

Thank you both for the reply’s.  I had those regions on my radar, but hadn’t gotten around to serious research yet.  I’ve moved them both up the list and will probably talk with local professionals in the areas.

Hello,

Selling a rental in San Luis Obispo, CA and trying to redeploy equity in 1031 exchange to a better price/rental rate ratio location.  Ideally, looking for something along the lines of a 200k purchase price with 2000/month rental income.  Anyone know of locations within the states where this is possible?