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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 2 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Marc C.:
Originally posted by @Bonnie McCullough:

"Commercial is a tough place to start--unless you are loaded. Commercial loans have higher rates, and you will need a credit score near 800 with the 25% or more down payment. Any partnership that 'marries' the score person with the money person must be solid (life long friends or relatives) not just matched business associates."

I think there is some bad info here. Might be true with local banks, but 80% apartment loans for up to 30 years at 4% or less are common from my talks with national lenders like Washington Federal. The Freddie Mac Small Balance Loan Program is another option. http://www.crefcoa.com/apartment-rates-main.html The credit score of the borrower is less important than the cash flow of the property and the experience of the borrower. I've never heard that your co-investors or guarantors must be lifelong friends or relatives...people syndicate deals with business associates all the time. That said, you do need someone who will co-invest with you unless you are borrowing a small amount. 

I would put together a 10-15-page "pitch deck" that shows your business plan and sample properties, add a well-known property manager to your team (and include them in your pitch deck), talk to mortgage lenders and get a pre-qual letter (and add it to your pitch deck), find an investor who will co-sign on the loan (and include his/her info in your pitch deck), and THEN talk to commercial brokers. Multifamily is hot right now. We are somewhat experienced and have a hard time getting brokers to even return our calls, let alone help newbies find their first properties. Your pitch deck will be a comforting document that will impress brokers and lenders and help them get confident in you. Good luck! 

Marc.  Thank you for your response.  I agree with your assessment.  Some people are more comfortable investing in smaller deals, which is perfectly fine.  For people that want to build real wealth, immersing yourself in high value investments from the beginning is the only way to learn.  Might take longer but it certainly is worth it.

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Michael Sjogren:

Hi @Account Closed. I am in Massachusetts and would be happy to grab coffee and answer any questions you have. I have invested several years, $10,000s into education and read countless books. Happy to help you shorten the curve. Send me a PM and we'll get something on the books.  

 Just sent you a private message.  If you did not receive it, please let me know.

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
  • Posts 11
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Originally posted by @Percy N.:

@Account Closed, what size apartment complexes are you interested in (20 units, 50, 100, 500, ...)?

The larger the complex, the more attention you need to pay to finding the right market. When you spend $20MM - $30MM+, distance is not that important as the economic outlook of the market, your ability to secure funding and having a partner to add value to and operate the complex.

My recommendation would be to initially partner with someone who is experienced and can show you the ropes (there is a lot to learn and mistakes will cost you a lot - like 6 to 7 figures).

You will also not be taken seriously on a mid to large size deal until you have some experience under your belt or are partnering with someone. 

Besides the mortgage (which is typically 70-75% LTV), there will be many expenses which will run into tens of thousands, before you can even close. Then the real fun starts. Oh and don't forget the 6 months or so reserve and property improvement Capex the lender will want you to place in escrow.

In short, get as much experience under your belt as possible.

If you are an accredited investor or considered a sophisticated investor, you can get in on some syndications with well known folks on BP. I am no expert, but this is what I have learnt from being a passive investor in 500+ units thus far and it gives you a good view into the due diligence process, the PPM, the deal structure, financing, etc. I am sure there is a lot more that goes on as the active partner in the syndicate, which I hope to learn by being part of a syndication lead team in the future.

Thank you for your detailed response.  Not quite sure what size complex I want to focus on.  The main thing is to get started with something and, like you mentioned, partner with someone that has experience.

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
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Originally posted by @Justin Repp:

@Account Closed I think that working with a broker from the early stages is ideal.  The reason being, a lot of times these deals never hit the open market and its a "who you know" situation.  I would recommend reaching out to a few and interviewing them to see how they might be able to help.  Definitely get your financing in line first as that would be the first thing that any agent (and seller) would ask first.

I agree.  Working with a broker starting out seems to make the most sense.  As time goes on, potential deals can be tapped from other sources.

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
  • Posts 11
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Originally posted by @Rick Santasiere:

Are you working with an agent yet?  How many units are you looking into?  Have you been approved with a commercial lender yet?

I plan on speaking with a good commercial lender soon.  I want to at least get familiar with the funding side before I start looking for deals.

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 4
Originally posted by @Rick Santasiere:

@Account Closed what areas in MA are you looking to start in?  

I live in Franklin so a good start would be a 25 to 50 mile radius.  I noticed a lot of new apartment complexes being built in Plainville and nearby cities.  Demand seems to be strong.

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
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Originally posted by @John Casmon:

@Account Closed Congrats on deciding to get started with apartments. You should flip your approach and get the money lined up before chasing a deal. Depending on the size of the apartment, banks have different lending criteria. Talk to a few banks and private lenders so you know what you'll need. 

You shouldn't engage a broker until you have your funding together. Also, you don't really need to hire a broker, but you do need to find sources for deals, with a broker being an option. Good luck!

Very simple but great advice.  Makes sense to ensure funding will not be an issue before finding a potential property.

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
  • Posts 11
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I appreciate the input from everyone!

I have read some books on apartment complex investing.  I heard all about the guru seminar racket as well.

I would really like to find someone with experience on this forum in the Massachusetts area to partner with and study under for my first deal.

As far as questions go, I do have a couple:

1)  Would it be a good idea to hire a commercial real estate broker to locate properties for sale?

2)  If I do find a good property and the due diligence phase does not turn up any major problems, how difficult would it be to acquire capital for someone involved in their first deal?

Post: Advice On Investing In Apartment Complexes

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
  • Posts 11
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Hello everyone.

I'm looking to get started investing in apartment complexes as my area of focus.  Looking for advice from people with experience in this area of real estate investing.  

Thanks in advance!

Post: Hello To The Bigger Pockets Community

Account ClosedPosted
  • Franklin, MA
  • Posts 11
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Originally posted by @Mike Hurney:

@Account Closed Welcome.

How about some Goals and a Timeline?

Hi Mike.  Long term goals are to have a nice portfolio of commercial property.  Apartment complexes, office space, etc.  I want to focus on cash flow producing properties.  Timeline would be five years and beyond.

Short term goals are to learn everything I can about this business and make enough money to quit my job.  I would then focus on this business full time and scale it up.

All I can say is I am extremely motivated but humble enough to realize I have a lot to learn.