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All Forum Posts by: Paul B.

Paul B. has started 8 posts and replied 491 times.

Post: Looking for a Multifamily/Apartment Mentor

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 501
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https://www.meetup.com/Apartment-Investor-Mastery-...

Above is a link to a Meetup in Austin held by students of Brad Sumrok, who was mentioned in the previous post. 

Post: Looking for best city for MF investment.

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  • Dallas, TX
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When you consider whether your chosen markets are landlord-friendly or tenant-friendly, Chicago stands out like a sore thumb. I believe the others are in landlord-friendly states though. 

Post: How do different property classes perform in a downturn?

Paul B.Posted
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@Luke Grogan I think another good question to ask when considering a Class A property is who are the tenants? Is this their primary residence, with good jobs nearby, or is it a second home for them, because they like to spend time in this "premier location?" The former would give the crash protection you mention, not sure about the latter. 

Post: Just bought a 78 unit disaster...

Paul B.Posted
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  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Dan Bee:

You mentioned 20+ investors. Where did you find these investors? Are they family/friends or are they professional/full time investors, etc?

There are several networking groups here in Dallas/Fort Worth where people who put these deals together meet people who are interested in investing in these deals, and vice versa. Some of the groups cost money to join, because they include a training component, for those with no prior experience. Some of the groups are free or very low cost. But presumably there are similar groups in your city. Look on Meetup.com or attend some local REIA meetings.

Post: Looking to get any reviews on Mentor/Investor/Teacher Brad Sumrok on Multifamily

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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@Ryan F. Yes, I believe your expectations are reasonable. That is what you will get out of it. Sure, you can learn everything on your own for almost free. But there are advantages to being part of a group that is constantly making deals, and doing them well. You will learn faster and you won't have to make mistakes yourself, when others made them before you. The only caveat I'll say is to be realistic on your timeframe of actually taking down a deal yourself. It's just hard to do in this market. But as for learning what you need to know, and getting access to others who are already in the game, that part starts right away.

If you are trying to decide whether personal mentoring is right for you, you could always join Foundations and then upgrade later. As for getting in touch with others in the program, by far the easiest way to do that is to attend the free Meetups that are being held all over town. I posted one in one of my previous posts. It's meeting in Addison only a few weeks from now. The host is a former student of Brad's who now does deals in several states on his own.

Here's one in Garland the following week, hosted by some of Brad's current students. I am sure they would be happy to discuss their experience.

https://www.meetup.com/Apartment-Investor-Mastery-AIM-Garland-TX/

If you can't make either of those, look for others. Definitely get out and network.

Post: Looking to get any reviews on Mentor/Investor/Teacher Brad Sumrok on Multifamily

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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@Ryan F. Yes, I have decided that I am only interested in passive investments at this time. There are a few reasons:

1. I have a full-time job outside of real estate, which is where I get my money to invest. It's important that I don't neglect my career, which I happen to enjoy. Unlike many others, I am not in this to quit my day job. I am simply looking for an alternate source of income. I live below my means, so I want to put my excess cash to work. My job pays well, but my salary will probably never increase faster than inflation. Also, I am preparing for the possibility that my good job goes away one day for whatever reason. Anyway, I just don't have enough time to search for deals. Besides, the process of looking for a deal doesn't sound that appealing to me, so I might as well leave that work to those who enjoy it, and are better at it. 

2. The market is so competitive right now, that even the experienced sponsors are finding it a challenge to find a good deal. I have no desire to compete with them at this time. Especially when I know I won't be putting as much time into it as they are.

3. Aside from the competitive market, and my lack of interest in turning over every stone and making cold calls to find a deal, I recognize that a beginner just can't become a sponsor overnight. My plan has been to get my feet wet with a few passive investments. I will learn plenty along the way from paying close attention to how those deals go. In the meantime, I have completed all the training videos in the Foundations program, and have been attending every event and networking with all the other students, and sometimes attend events that are not affiliated with Brad. So I am learning from everyone I meet. My point is that even if I wanted to be a sponsor, one does not simply do it immediately without a lot of learning and building relationships with those who have more experienced. I have not ruled out the possibility of becoming a sponsor in the future. Perhaps in a few years I'll decide I am ready to move up to the next level. But for now, I am focusing on my education and making sure I am understanding the deals that I invest in. That knowledge will pay off regardless of whether I do anything more than be just a passive investor. I just got into my first deal last week. 

For you, why not start with a passive investment, if you have the cash available? Don't do it right away. I mean join the group, attend a few bus tours, watch all the training videos, meet other passive investors and get advice on how to choose your deals, meet sponsors and get on their mailing lists, and when they have a deal, analyze it. As you get more practice reading all the offering documents, eventually you will feel confident that you can separate the better deals from the weaker ones. Don't invest until you are sure you are ready, and don't feel like you have to jump on a particular deal. There will always be another opportunity around the corner. In fact, the beauty of being a passive investor is that even though it may take months or a year for an individual sponsor to find a deal, once you know enough sponsors, at any given time there is probably someone doing a deal.

If you don't have the funds available for a passive investment, you should still do everything I said, since you'll learn something every step of the way. Since you have experience with single family, you already understand the basic principles, but there are simply a lot more variables in multi-family, so it's not as easy to identify a good deal. Even if you definitely want to be a sponsor, it takes time to get there, so you'll want to learn as much as you can. I think the first steps are the same regardless of whether you want to be passive or a sponsor.

Even if you decide not to join the group, there are several Meetups in the area where you can network with multi-investors for free, or maybe the cost of a lunch. Here is one example, but there are plenty more:

https://www.meetup.com/Multifamily-Investor-Networking-of-North-Texas-MINNT/

Post: Looking to get any reviews on Mentor/Investor/Teacher Brad Sumrok on Multifamily

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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@Ryan F. You can find Brad on Facebook and message him directly. Add him as a friend. If you don't do FB, or you don't get a response (I've seen him ask others inquiring about the program to PM him, so he must check it regularly), message me directly and I can give you an alternate contact.

I think you have a good question about why there were "only" 25 deals. I thought it was an impressive number and hadn't thought of it the way you are, but I am going to take a stab at explaining it, and hopefully it will make more sense:

There are indeed hundreds of attendees at the R2R seminars, but not all of them become students. I didn't join the first time I attended myself. Some are just browsing/kicking tires - the cost is by far the lowest I have ever seen for a two-day real estate seminar (usually others are at least $1000), let alone one where 90% is actual education and only a small amount of time is spent pitching the expensive  student programs. I recommend it to anyone even thinking of getting involved in multi-family real estate investing, and I am sure others do too, so naturally a lot of people in attendance decide not to take the next step for various reasons. 

Here are some round numbers....I have no idea whether they are accurate, but they should be close enough to illustrate the point. Let's say there are 300 there. At least 100 are already students - they volunteered to help put on the event, or for more education since Brad updates the content every time. That leaves 200 potential new students. Again, most do not join the program. Some get sticker shock at the cost and take no action, and either continue to browse other programs or give up on real estate entirely. Some were already experienced and decide they don't need a mentor or additional education, and go back to their existing business. Some have no experience, but felt the crash course they received that weekend was all they needed, and become an investor on their own without joining the program. Some were only there for the networking and never intended to become a student. I've attended R2R twice, and based on the number of people I've seen lining up to register, I estimate about 50 join as students that weekend. Most of them join Foundations, which means they are not going to do their own deals and just want to invest passively in other people's deals.  (I fall into that group). 

So I'd guess Brad has a few hundred students at most. Most of them are Foundations students who are not even looking for deals. The number of personal students who want to acquire properties is probably less than 100. Maybe even less than 50. So why did they all not buy something in 2015? Here are reasons I can think of:

1. Many work together to partner on a deal. A seller is more likely to consider an offer if it's coming from someone with a lot of experience. So someone inexperienced is better off with a partner than trying to go it alone. Therefore, many of those 25 deals involved 2 or more students working together. I should also point out that many (if not most) of those deals were syndications that involved 10 or more investors. So there may be quite a few more students involved in each one than you think. 

2. Some have day jobs and want to find a deal, but get busy and didn't spend as much time searching as they intended.  

3. Since Brad is based in Dallas and holds his seminars there, naturally a large proportion of his students are from the area, and are focusing their search there. The market is hot. It's a great place to invest, but it's no secret, and there is a large amount of competition from local, national and international buyers. Some of it is "dumb money." Some are perfectly sophisticated buyers who simply have lower expectations than the double-digit annual returns that Brad's students want. It's hard to compete with those buyers. So in this market, when following Brad's criteria, it may very well take more than a year to find a good deal, especially if you've never done one. I hear that once you get one under your belt, you have credibility and the second one comes a lot more easily. 

4. Some students have acquired quite a few properties in the last few years, and are making enough money that they are no longer searching at all.

5. Some have decided to strike off on their own and no longer consider themselves students, but are still doing deals and those would not be counted in that 25. 

Well, this was a long post. If you made it this far, hope it was helpful. I've only been a student about 5-6 months, but I am happy to answer any questions you may have. 

Post: Looking for Real Estate Investor Mentors in Texas

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 501
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Meetup.com is a great source for meetings where you can network with other investors. Some of the groups focus on multi-family. 

Here is one:

http://www.meetup.com/Multifamily-Investor-Network...

There are quite a few other groups around town. But definitely look on Meetup.

Post: Looking to meet up with investors in the Dallas area

Paul B.Posted
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In addition to Nick's suggestions, here is a group meeting this Saturday, and it should be a great introduction to multi-family investments. I am planning on attending. Maybe I'll see you there. I started looking into real estate investing about a year ago, and these types of groups were instrumental to getting the knowledge I have acquired since then.

http://www.meetup.com/Apartment-Investor-Mastery-AIM-Plano-TX/

Here is a group that is meeting tomorrow, and they have another meeting Thursday that focuses on multi-family:

http://www.meetup.com/Real-Estate-Investing-Social-Network/

Post: Todd Dotson and Brad Sumrok

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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Don,

The below link contains some useful discussion about Brad Sumrok's program. There is some skepticism upfront (including from myself), but by the end of the thread there are some very positive comments from some of his students. I joined the program only a few months ago, so I can't say much about my own experience so far, but I have learned enough about how it works that I could probably answer any questions. If you are ever in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, there are often free multi-family investing events on Meetup.com where you could meet many other students and learn from them. The best introduction would be the "Rat Race 2 Retirement" weekend seminar that Brad holds every four months in Dallas. The next one is in July and I highly recommend making the trip. It costs something like $50-100 to attend. I know of no other place where you can get two days worth of multi-family investing knowledge for so little money. (You can probably get all the same information for free here on BP, but it would take a lot longer and you would have to know what questions to ask). 

After the weekend seminar, if you decide to continue learning with Brad, there are two choices: Foundations (online training and attendance at networking events six times a year) and Personal Mentoring (same as Foundations, plus the ability to personally work with Brad and have him hold your hand through the multifamily acquisition process). The first one is a few thousand dollars, and the second is something like 15 or 20 thousand. If you decide not to spend that kind of money, I still think the weekend seminar is worthwhile. (I am not getting paid to promote it.) I am a Foundations student, because I only wanted to learn about how Brad's students buy properties so I could properly evaluate their deals and passively invest with them. At this time, I have no intention of buying my own properties, so I would not get enough value from the personal mentoring. 

Brad's program is NOT one of those seminars where you learn how to invest in real estate with "no money, no credit..." etc. You have to have some cash in the bank (or in an IRA) to do it the way Brad teaches. If you simply don't have the money now, but still want to do it in the future, I suggest learning what you can now and networking with others who are doing what you want to do. You could decide to join in the future, and you'll already be knowledgeable. Or you may end up finding others to work with who are not in the program but are doing the same thing. Some decide they prefer to learn on their own and save money. Others believe the money they paid to a "guru" is far less than what they would have lost if they went it alone and made their own mistakes.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/79/topics/149974-looking-to-get-any-reviews-on-mentor-investor-teacher-brad-sumrok-on-multifamily?page=1