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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Murray

Patrick Murray has started 2 posts and replied 13 times.

Quote from @Patrick Murray:

Hi all!

I purchased a tiny home on wheels (THOW) with my wife to rent to my brother on our property in Agoura Hills, CA near LA.  Unfortunately within 2 months a neighbor complained, and although it's deemed an RV, it is still breaking some code violations. 

Hoping the BP community might be able to come up with some solutions with me- ideally we just aren't losing money on the thing, which our payments are $1,200 a month.  

I have friends that rent out tiny homes near Yosemite for around $70k a month.  I think if it's the right location (ideally California) in a nice setting, we could rent it out for a lot. 

More info on the Tiny Home here (which is also listed for sale as we figure this out).  Thanks for any help!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/679756394366188/?r...


Patrick


 Sorry, I meant to say $70k a year.  

Thanks. They are making progress, but every city is different. We paid $112k all in. We're just 6 months into payments, and want to keep the loan if we sell the tiny home to build out an attached ADU to code.

Hi all!

I purchased a tiny home on wheels (THOW) with my wife to rent to my brother on our property in Agoura Hills, CA near LA.  Unfortunately within 2 months a neighbor complained, and although it's deemed an RV, it is still breaking some code violations. 

Hoping the BP community might be able to come up with some solutions with me- ideally we just aren't losing money on the thing, which our payments are $1,200 a month.  

I have friends that rent out tiny homes near Yosemite for around $70k a month.  I think if it's the right location (ideally California) in a nice setting, we could rent it out for a lot. 

More info on the Tiny Home here (which is also listed for sale as we figure this out).  Thanks for any help!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/679756394366188/?r...


Patrick

Congrats!  Seems like it has been a great market for you! 

Quote from @Travis Biziorek:

Hey Patrick, I assume you're talking 20%+ CoC levered returns, not unlevered?

This can be done in Detroit IF you find the right deal and understand how to do your numbers. Most don't. 

For example, 99% of people don't know how to find their future property tax payment when buying in Michigan and I've seen it destroy cash flow when they finally get that new tax bill.

Anyway, yes... you can find this in Detroit if you know what you're doing.

Thanks so much for the response.  Yes I’m talking about levered returns and 20% down with a conventional loan!  

How are your properties appreciating in Detroit?  
Quote from @Bob Stevens:

Cleveland of course ,  All in 100kish, 1300 in rent, 


Can you expand please? Are you saying on a SFH worth around 100k you can grab $1,300 in rent?

I'm looking to find a property in a market that already has tenants paying rent on that property that would return me 20%+ COC return. So I'm not necessarily looking for a market that was thriving, but that can still get me this return-- and some properties are already coming in that look like this. Cleveland, St. Louis, Scranton, Columbus.. I'd be happy to travel to any of these places.

So you're saying finding a good cash flow property is nice, but I should make sure that I like the agent, PM, contractors, etc. before moving forward?

Quote from @Journey Toole:

@Patrick Murray

I was going to come here and say Cleveland! (And Akron). I am an investor friendly agent here and would love to chat about what Cleveland has to offer


Thanks Journey, if you could DM me some deals that you helped clients with that are seeing 20% COC returns + I'd be interested!

Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Patrick Murray

don't try to pick the market with the "best" cash flow, pick a market where you can be successful.  if possible, where you live.  but at a minimum, a market you know or have a connection to.  where relatives, live, where you went to school, where you vacation, etc.

Funnily enough I grew up in Bethel Park (South Hills of Pittsburgh), I live in LA now though and it's too expensive for an investment.  Why would I choose a market I have a connection to though when those markets may be negative cash flow compared to markets that are thriving?

Quote from @Vadim F.:

Are you looking for a cash flow market or appreciation market? Cash flow market you should be able to achieve that, if looking at an appreciation market might be tought.

Cleveland is great for cash flow, but you need a solid team on the ground that know the city block by block.

Detroit, same as Cleveland.

Columbus - great appreciation market, cash flow not so much.

Kansas City - same as Columbus


 Thank you for the response!  I'm looking for a cash flow market.  Any Cleveland real estate agents that know the market well and could share some numbers from current clients?