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All Forum Posts by: Pat Rach

Pat Rach has started 5 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: House hacking tips for beginners

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Pat Rach:

House hacking is something I am looking to get into, I have learned the basic ins and outs but am yet to purchase a property. Is there any advice you would be willing to share for someone looking to get into house hacking as a young investor looking to make my first big purchase? 


Hey Pat, FHA is a great starting point with house hacking. It can allow you to get started with appreciation and cashflow with very little down, you can even BRRRR it like I did if you add value. Talk with local lenders about their first time home buyer programs, some have 0% down, no PMI, etc. Set proper systems in place, and always focus on your goal.
Thanks for the info! 

Post: House hacking tips for beginners

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Scott E.:

My first deal was a house hack. I looked for a duplex, triplex, or a fourplex but kept getting beat by cash investors. So I ended up buying a 3 bedroom house, living in 1 of the bedrooms, and renting the others out.

What I learned after a few years is that I loved living basically for free, but I didn't love having roommates! I enjoyed having roommates when I was a bit younger and living in an apartment, but there was something different about living with people in the house that I owned. I was way more particular about the way they treated the bathrooms, kitchen, floors, etc.

Anyways I say all that to say, get into a 2-4 unit if you can lol.

And some people say you shouldn't get a loan where you put less than 20% down, otherwise you will have to pay mortgage insurance. But my 2 cents is that mortgage insurance isn't that big of a deal. If you only can put 3.5% down with an FHA loan, but you can afford the mortgage with PMI, then go for it. You'll thank yourself in 5-10 years when you're ready to sell.

Last thing - You make money on the buy. Meaning buy in a good location, pay a number that makes sense on paper, leave emotion out of the equation.


Awsome advice! Thanks for the info! 

Post: House hacking tips for beginners

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15

House hacking is something I am looking to get into, I have learned the basic ins and outs but am yet to purchase a property. Is there any advice you would be willing to share for someone looking to get into house hacking as a young investor looking to make my first big purchase? 

Post: I’m 17, what can I be doing?

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Pat Rach

Why does everyone want to spend money chasing strangers – and ignore their own personal network?

Per this NY Times article, the average American knows around 600 people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/science/the-average-american-knows-how-many-people.html#:~:text=The%20average%20American%20knows%20about,do%20you%20know%20named%20Kevin%3F

Per the US Census Bureau, the average American moves 11.7 time in their life, which based upon an approximate lifespan of 84 years, works out to be about every 7 years.
https://www.census.gov/topics/population/migration/guidance/calculating-migration-expectancy.html#:~:text=Using%202007%20ACS%20data%2C%20it,one%20move%20per%20single%20year

So, if the average American knows 600 people and they each move about every 7 years, that means that the average American knows around 85 people that move in any given year.

How many of those moves do you want to be involved in?

To maximize the number of transactions you’re involved in you will need to:

  • Be Top of Mind when they think about moving - which requires consistent reminders.
  • Be seen as an Expert – which requires a consistent message and Evidence of Success stories
  • Gain their Trust – which requires communicating integrity

So, start out by listing everyone you know in an Excel spreadsheet.

Why Excel? Because later, you can easily use it as your mailing list! Create columns for Name, Street Address, City, State, Zip and then contact info: Last Contact, Relationship, Status, Email & Phone.

IMPORTANT: do NOT ask people for THEIR business, ask for referrals! Why? Because they will get defensive if they feel you are pressuring them. Remember, they can always refer themselves😊

Now, make it a goal to call at least 5-10 of these people EVERY day and ask a MAX OF THREE off the list below of who they know that:

  • Just inherited a home
  • Had a loved one pass away
  • Is behind on their mortgage or tax payments
  • Has a relative that can’t take care of their house anymore
  • Has a house they’re having trouble selling
  • Is facing bankruptcy
  • Knows a probate attorney
  • Knows a bankruptcy attorney
  • etc

Why only three off the list per contact? Because on average, we can only remember three things at a time. If you try to go over the whole list, you’ll lose the attention of an average person and they won’t remember anything!

It should only take you about a month or two to contact everyone on your list and then the tough part – you start all over again.

Why the repetition? Because it takes repetition for people to remember things and you have to be top-of-mind when they encounter a potential client for you!

Have you ever been to McDonalds? Of course you have! So, why is McDonalds still spending billions on advertising?

One more tip – people remember stories that trigger their emotions. So, tell a story of how you (or a fellow wholesaler) helped a seller out with their challenge(s). Change your story each month as different stories will resonate with different people AND use each story to emphasize one of your “who do you know…” questions.

As you start closing deals, you will need to reinvest your profits into mailing lists and other scalable activities to grow your business.

One last thing – we recommended you create a Status column on your spreadsheet, now we’ll explain why. If you find someone that seems to know a lot of people needing your services, wouldn’t it make sense to focus more resources on them? Conversely, you will run into people on your list that just seem to be a waste of time, so you’ll want to avoid them. So, create status codes for both of these and a few in-between codes to help you work smarter, not harder.

Holy smokes… this is all such valuable information! Thank you so much I will 100% be doing this! Thank you for all the advice!!!

Post: I’m 17, what can I be doing?

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Leo R.:

@Pat Rach if I were your age, I'd be doing everything possible to prepare for my first house hack (e.g.; saving money for a down payment, analyzing potential house hack properties, talking to mortgage brokers to understand what you need to do to qualify for a mortgage, studying up on house hacking strategies, etc., etc.), and then, as soon as I was old enough to qualify for a mortgage (and had the money), I'd house hack a property every 12 months until I hit my limit of owner-occupant mortgages (usually 10).

In my opinion, house hacking a single fam or small multifam property is the single best way for people to get started in real estate investing--especially for a young adult.

Why? Because, house hacking can produce great financial returns, it teaches you essential RE investing skills, but (compared to more advanced strategies like BRRR'ing or wholesaling), it is comparatively lower risk, simple and beginner-friendly (and therefore has the highest likelihood of success).

More specifically:

1. A HH can produce great financial returns. A HH can substantially lower your living expenses, while creating cashflow, appreciation, mortgage pay down, and tax benefits. Lowering your expenses while increasing income is the fundamental recipe for building wealth, and a HH accomplishes this in a single step. A HH can also involve opportunities to force appreciation and/or rent (e.g.; by adding an extra bedroom in a previously under-utilized space). When executed correctly and repeatedly, house hacking can be very lucrative, and there are multi-millionaires who built their fortunes on repetitive house hacking! Although it's a strategy that's good for beginners, there are plenty of very experienced RE investors who continue to HH, because it's such a powerful strategy.

2. A house hack will teach you the essential skills you'll need to succeed in RE investing. With a HH, you can learn how to analyze properties & markets, how to find an investor-friendly agent, how to spot value-add opportunities at properties, how to engage in a strong due diligence process, how to screen tenants, how to manage the property, how to build a network of contractors, plumbers, electricians and other pros, how to manage the book keeping of the property, etc., etc., etc. If you want to succeed in RE investing, getting this experience will be critical! In my experience, a HH can provide incredibly valuable lessons that no mentor, real estate course, book or podcast could ever teach (though, I'd still highly recommend reading up on relevant RE resources, listening to podcasts, etc.).

Plus, if you decide to do one of the other strategies in the future (such as BRRR'ing or out of state investing), you'll be much more prepared to do it if you have a few HH's under your belt--a ton of the lessons you'll learn from a HH can be used to succeed in other areas of real estate ...in fact, I'd say that a HH should be a necessary prerequisite to the more advanced strategies (like flipping) for most folks!

3. Compared to other strategies (like flipping, wholesaling, etc.),
HH is relatively simple and lower-risk, and therefore has a higher chance of success. I always use this analogy: would you tell a beginner skier who has zero experience to ski a double black diamond (the most advanced terrain) for their first run? (obviously, no; a beginner could easily get themselves killed on double black diamond terrain!). Beginners should start off on beginner terrain, where they actually have a chance to learn and succeed. A house hack is like that beginner run (but BRRR'ing, wholesaling, and out-of-state investing are more like double black diamonds).

The fact of the matter is: real estate is often a high-stakes endeavor, and the more advanced strategies (like BRRR'ing, wholesaling, flipping, out of state investing, etc.) can easily bankrupt a beginner when they're executed poorly.

Now, having said all that, house hacking is not necessarily easy (if it were, everyone would do it!)...it's just easier than the more advanced strategies...House hacking still takes significant due diligence, skill in analyzing the market and the property, time and effort to learn about tenant screening and property management, the ability to anticipate appreciation/depreciation trends, etc., etc., etc....and even with lots of skill and preparation, things will still go wrong (vacancy, plumbing leaks, bad tenants, etc.)--but that's the nature of the game. As James Brown sang: you gotta pay the cost to be the boss.

Good luck out there!


 Holy crap this is gold!!! Thank you for providing this for me! I have decided pretty clearly how I’m going to start and it will definitely be Josie hacking! Thanks again!

Post: I’m 17, what can I be doing?

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Hayden Oppermann:

hey man i’m on the same page as you but how do you find local meetups, and how do you find people to talk to and get connected with ?


 what I did was I looked up the local real estate groups on facebook and joined and I didn’t say anything for a while but I observed and did a ton of research to kind know what I was talking about before I made myself looks stupid. I also met my closest mentor while doing snow removal. 

Post: I’m 17, what can I be doing?

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Dan Sheeks:

Hello Pat.

Bigger Pockets recently published a book that's perfect for you! It's called First to a Million. You should check it out! www.biggerpockets.com/teen. I am the author and would be happy to answer any questions or jump on a phone call if you'd like.

I'm always happy to talk to young aspiring investors. I'm also a real estate investor and high school business teacher so working with young people is what I love to do! Best of luck to you!

Dan Sheeks

Wow! I will for sure have to take a look at that book and I will definitely let you know if I have any questions. Thanks again! 

Post: I’m 17, what can I be doing?

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Pat Rach:

I have been doing a ton of research and talking to people in my city doing some networking. I have also analyzed probably 10-15 deals and feel I have a good grip on that. I have started to create a document for attracting local lenders for when I find a good deal. I have also been reading mindset books and creating spreadsheets to gain a deeper understanding. What else should I be trying to do? How can I make everyone try to take me seriously? Should I be pursuing certain marketing tactics such as door knocking, cold calling, and direct mail? 

Any recommendations are helpful!

Simple, connect with someone doing deals, become their bird dog and do anything else they ask. Hands on expectance far out weights reading books. You will learn more in a month then 5 years of reading books
Good Luck

 Bob- Great stuff! I’m hoping to do some connecting at my local investor meet up this Monday! So I will for sure try to find someone who would be interested! Thanks again!

Post: I’m 17, what can I be doing?

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15

Bruce- For sure! I started my own snow removal business this year to hopefully get in touch with some property owners and to save up some money! I also have an IRA that I'm hoping to use down the road as well. Thanks again!

Post: I’m 17, what can I be doing?

Pat RachPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Fargo ND
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 15

Tyler-Thank you for reaching out! I honestly thought no one would. I’m hoping to attend my first real estate investor meet up this coming Monday to get my self out there and a ton more on BP like you said. The one big challenge I find myself in is what is the next step? Then I remind myself if it was easy it wouldn’t be worth it! Thanks again!