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All Forum Posts by: Paige Roberts

Paige Roberts has started 8 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: My Father stole new title and keys to my old car

Paige RobertsPosted
  • Cole Camp, MO
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 2

I'm going to make this short and not sure if this is right place for this but I have used bigger pockets for other questions and have never got let down and I really need some help here. 

Anyways, long long story short.   I got a car Sunday.   My father rode with me to go get it.   Roll into Monday morning, I get angry texts from him about him wanting my new title and keys to my old  car.  Our deal was he was giving me the 3000 as a gift and I was going to sell my old car for about the same exact price m.  Anyways I go over to get the rest of my things from my old car.  He turns into a rage saying i shouldn't haveever got this new car.  He wants the 3000$ back.  Complete 180 from yesterday.  Jackal and Mr Hyde times 10.   To make it short by the end of it he psychially assaulted me and stood in front of my driver door not letting me leave until I gave him the title to my NEW car and keys to my old one.  My 4 year old witnessed everything and I just wanted to leave but he refused to let me get in my vehicle until I do. So he took the key to my old car and new title saying he isn't going to give me the title back to my new car until he sells the car I traded him for.  We hadn't agreed on that at all.  He then tells me he wrote on the title that he is the lein holder and won't be giving me my title back until my old car is sold to make up the money he gave me for the old car so I could buy the new one or pay him the 3000 first.  Both the new car and old car have only my name on the title.  Even the registration only has my name as well as the receipt and every single other paperwork they gave me at dealership.  So I guess my question is can people just write on the back of titles and claim they are the lein holder? I contacted my dealership and they said they can get me a new title and it will void the other one afterI explained I had a family member take it and I won't be able to get it back.  The following day i put a restraining order on him.   

So what's my case if any? His name is on neither the old title or the new title and he seems to have lost his mind in an angry horrible way.  

Thanks so much.

my tenants moved in 2 months ago.  He got a job in Florida and is needing to break lease.  If I allow them to break the contract, do they get their deposit back? I've never done this before.   They are good tenants. 

Post: Help! Evicting tenant for unlivable conditions

Paige RobertsPosted
  • Cole Camp, MO
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Amy Beth:
@Paige Roberts. How could it be years that you have not entered the property? That is beyond neglecting your property as a landlord. If you had been inspecting your properties you could of caught this problem early on and had them evicted or not renewed their lease and saved yourself from needinf a complete gut renovation. Hopefully you can learn from this and inspect all of your properties at least twice a year going forward.

They seem to be either addicts or mentally ill to live in such conditions. I would hire a real estate lawyer tomorrow and start the process of having them evicted. You can’t just tell someone to leave without going thru a legal process.

 @Amy Beth, i just inherited the property....my grandma built it.  Last I was in there was to help her clean it up and paint before these tenants.  I never owned it till a month ago.  

Originally posted by @Karl B.:

And this is why periodic landlord inspections are essential. 

Since you're in Missouri, here's a link as to how to evict in that state: https://legalbeagle.com/8262728-evict-someone-missouri.html

 I just inheretited it.

Post: Help! Evicting tenant for unlivable conditions

Paige RobertsPosted
  • Cole Camp, MO
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 2

I really need some advice here. I have tenants that do not have a current lease. I am trying to sell my property. I had a cash buyer this week. I had signed contact.and everything. Then it all went down the drain when interested buyer looked at one of the rentals. I had not been in it in years but been having major problems with them destroying outside property and rent for a year hence why I did not renew lease. The buyer backed out soley on the horrendous condition of the rental. They tore out all carpet, all cabinets are destroyed, the bathroom is sagging due to them letting toliet clog and over flow. The bathroom covered in mold. The bedroom is covered in clothes that are soaked in dog feces and urine. The whole house is taken over by coach roaches and mice. I've never seen such an infestation. The wall literally move with roaches and i wish I was exaggerating. The majority of the walls are punched out, dogs chewed through them and the mice. Every inch of it is covered in roach and mice feces. When you walk in the door you are unable to breathe do to the ammonia of urine and stinch. My realtor and buyer were unable to stay in it more then 5 minutes. It burned their eyes. They have 8 little dogs that I did not allow. They've destroyed the fridge and stove. Basically every single inch of the place is in horrinle condition. It's not even livable. They are working on destroying the outside of my.property too. So my question is, how can I get rid of them? I told them they need to leave after they made me loose 220,000. I doubt they will unless forced though. Isn't this a health violation? I wish i could post pictures. I've never seen anything like this in my life. How can anyone live this way? It's incredible. Can i call the health department? If I do not get rid of them I'll never be able to sell the property. Please help.

I really need some advice here.  I have tenants that do not have a current lease.  I am trying to sell my property.  I had a cash buyer this week.  I had signed contact.and everything.  Then it all went down the drain when interested buyer looked at one of the rentals.  I had not been in it in years but been having major problems with them destroying outside property and rent for a year hence why I did not renew lease.  The buyer backed out soley on the horrendous condition of the rental.  They tore out all carpet, all cabinets are destroyed, the bathroom is sagging due to them letting toliet clog and over flow.  The bathroom covered in mold.  The bedroom is covered in clothes that are soaked in dog feces and urine.  The whole house is taken over by coach roaches and mice.  I've never seen such an infestation.  The wall literally move with roaches and i wish I was exaggerating.   The majority of the walls are punched out, dogs chewed through them and the mice.  Every inch of it is covered in roach and mice feces.  When you walk in the door you are unable to breathe do to the ammonia of urine and stinch.   My realtor and buyer were unable to stay in it more then 5 minutes. It burned their eyes.  They have 8 little dogs that I did not allow.  They've destroyed the fridge and stove.  Basically every single inch of the place is in horrinle condition.  It's  not even livable.  They are working on destroying the outside of my.property too.  So my question is, how can I get rid of them? I told them they need to leave after they made me loose 220,000.  I doubt they will unless forced though.  Isn't this a health violation? I wish i could post pictures.  I've never seen anything like this in my life.  How can anyone live this way? It's incredible.  Can i call the health department? If I do not get rid of them I'll never be able to sell the property.  Please help.

Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Paige Roberts:
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@Paige Roberts is this a single family home? You mentioned tenants in plural so I was just wondering if it was a multifamily property. Multifamily is different because one tenant can bring in roaches and it will spread to others. Generally in single family, they are brought in by the tenant. Used furniture or used clothing are two ways they travel in. Low income tenants will find a couch for free on the curb and bring it into a property or get second hand clothes that has not been cleaned. Food source is the worst problem. Dirty tenants attract cockroaches. You have to bring garbage out daily to the trash. You need to mop floors, wipe down counters, etc. I would focus on the fact tenants are usually responsible for their own cockroach problem. Cockroaches don't randomly walk down the street looking for a clean house to invade. I educate tenants when they move in about cockroaches and bed bugs. My lease prohibits bringing used furniture into a property and requires tenants to pay for their own pest control. The only exception is issues that occur within 30 days of move in, but after 30 days, the tenant owns the problem. (That is single family homes. You can't do that in multifamily because neighboring tenants could be the source of the problem.)

As far as the female being dramatic - I am guessing you have never had a baby. Going into premature labor is very scary, so the last thing they are thinking about is a checklist for the exterminator. What responsible parent would bring a premature baby into a cockroach infested home.? To you it is just a few cockroaches, but personally I would never have my baby in a home with ANY cockroaches. I am just trying to give some perspective.

If they didn't bring the cockroaches in, they are well within their rights to demand action,. Ultimately it is hard to prove and you did take the appropriate actions. I would only reimburse for days they had to leave the property due to treatment and I would never return deposit until after they are out and you can deduct cleaning or damages.

 It's a single family home.  Also i do have a son that was born premature as well so your guess is horribly wrong. On top of that i did it completely on my own. I also run three businesses so i believe that's an excuse to be rude even if everyone is different.  I had no SO to help and the picking was way before roach problem.  

 My apologies, I shouldn't make assumptions. I misunderstood and thought she was pregnant when they moved in. I was just thinking that  stress and hormones can alter the way people would normally act. 

Ultimately given it is a single family home and they were there 5 months before the cockroaches showed up, they are at fault. The leading cause of cockroaches and even things like ants is unsanitary conditions. They need a food source. Donated clothing and furniture is often the way they travel in. I wouldn't give the tenant anything. You acted responsively to deal with the problem, so you did nothing wrong. Good luck and sorry again for the assumption, that was unfair of me.

 I appreciate that and the great advice. 

Thanks. 

Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@Paige Roberts is this a single family home? You mentioned tenants in plural so I was just wondering if it was a multifamily property. Multifamily is different because one tenant can bring in roaches and it will spread to others. Generally in single family, they are brought in by the tenant. Used furniture or used clothing are two ways they travel in. Low income tenants will find a couch for free on the curb and bring it into a property or get second hand clothes that has not been cleaned. Food source is the worst problem. Dirty tenants attract cockroaches. You have to bring garbage out daily to the trash. You need to mop floors, wipe down counters, etc. I would focus on the fact tenants are usually responsible for their own cockroach problem. Cockroaches don't randomly walk down the street looking for a clean house to invade. I educate tenants when they move in about cockroaches and bed bugs. My lease prohibits bringing used furniture into a property and requires tenants to pay for their own pest control. The only exception is issues that occur within 30 days of move in, but after 30 days, the tenant owns the problem. (That is single family homes. You can't do that in multifamily because neighboring tenants could be the source of the problem.)

As far as the female being dramatic - I am guessing you have never had a baby. Going into premature labor is very scary, so the last thing they are thinking about is a checklist for the exterminator. What responsible parent would bring a premature baby into a cockroach infested home.? To you it is just a few cockroaches, but personally I would never have my baby in a home with ANY cockroaches. I am just trying to give some perspective.

If they didn't bring the cockroaches in, they are well within their rights to demand action,. Ultimately it is hard to prove and you did take the appropriate actions. I would only reimburse for days they had to leave the property due to treatment and I would never return deposit until after they are out and you can deduct cleaning or damages.

 It's a single family home. Obviously you did not read my entire post or you would have seen the part about me trying multiple times to get it sprayed before baby came home.  They had a month to spray before but like i said my pest company won't spray until worksheet is finished every time. Maybe read before passing judgement.   also i do have a son that was born premature as well so your guess is horribly wrong. On top of that i did it completely on my own. I also run three businesses so i believe that's an excuse to be rude even if everyone is different.  I had no SO to help and the picking was way before roach problem.  

Has anyone ever dealt with these horrible things? I've tried the boric acid,borax, foggers,sprays, even professionals have come twice but I fear they will come back.  Should I just keep doing follow ups with pest control? Will have to do that forever?

Please share your experiences. 

Originally posted by @Jon Holdman:
Originally posted by @Paige Roberts:
Originally posted by @Jon Holdman:

They brought them with them when they moved in.

 How can i prove that though? 

 You can't.  You said you treated for them immediately before they moved in.  Roaches can hide in lots of stuff.  If the had roaches where they lived before, there will be roaches and especially roach eggs in their belongings.

Is there some source near this house?  Such as a rubbish pile or some such?  Did you have a roach problem in this property before these folks moved in?  When you've been in there, is it neat and tidy?  Or are there dishes in the sink and crumbs on the counter?  Food in the bedrooms and living room?  It doesn't take much to become a roach attractor.

But all of this is a moot point.  They're breaking the lease.  You've been diligent about addressing the problem they brought up.  Even with a long-term lease, I would consider letting a tenant out, without fees, provided they gave proper notice.  When they start demanding rent be returned I get less cooperative.

If you have a landlord/tenant attorney, it might be worth a chat about the situation so you understand your rights and obligations.

Would you return the month of June if they had no beem stayin there for.most of it but left their dog their to let out? It's not a horrible infestation and when it got sprayed last yesterday the pest control told me.they should be taken care of but wanted to make sure so we scheduled a follow up for next week. I told them that and they didn't want to even go back.  The female tenant seems to be dramatic about everything and very picky but the house was not kept clean at all.  They didn't even care to pick up when I was there all last month putting in New tiles for them.  I am a bit of a push over I suppose. Just too nice and want people to be happy with the place.