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All Forum Posts by: Paden Anderson

Paden Anderson has started 2 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Landscaping Services in From Ogden Utah to Salt Lake Utah

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13

Hey Saul, 

I would like a quote on a sprinkler system in Ogden. Please shoot me an email and Ill send you the info. 

Thanks, 

Paden 

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13

Another strategy that has been on my mind that I want to run by you guys is... I have friends killing it in Crypto and stocks and other asset classes... Ive thought it would be sweet to set up a few properties where those cash flows go directly in other asset to sit there for long term. I can only imagine if the average person used rentals to fund their other investments they could get the best of both worlds when they retire and be pretty well diversified. (disclaimer- this money these rentals give would have to be looked at as long term buy and holds and higher risk as its not my specialty and I cant even time the real estate market let alone a stock market or crypto/blockchain). ;) 

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13

Great thread guys! Thank you for all your comments. Its very helpful. I agree cash is king but man it does feel good to be in a position where you don't owe anybody a penny and have large amounts of cash flow coming in every month. If a property sits vacant for a month or two, who cares. Our financial goals definitely come in seasons. 

After this thread my goals are to keep the properties at a 30 year am and save my cash, conservatively purchasing other multi family deals that meet my parameters until my loan lines are maxed (in this market this could take years). Then I will work on the buy down phase while adding properties here and there. Once you have 10-20 properties paid off with cash it doesn't take long to purchase more. Patience is key.

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Thomas Richardson:

@Paden Anderson I'm glad I saw your post! I just bought my first rental property in February and was wondering what I should be doing with the cash flow I am getting as well. I bought this as a foreclosure so I was able to get a deal on it and now only have about 50% LTV on this. I listen to a lot of Dave Ramsey's podcast so I like the idea of paid off assets and no more payments but I also understand the benefit of having properties leveraged so you have have cash freed up for opportunities. I do have a equity line right now for the rehab of this property and I think I am going to put all the CF towards paying this off first to open that back up and stop paying interest on it and then I will just start saving the CF for the next properties. Just my thought and as I said its my first time so if anyone would do it differently please share! My other question to you would be how are you thinking of holding your cash? Just in a checking/savings account or possibly in index funds or something like that?

Hey Thomas, congrats on the purchase! I don't think that is a bad plan. You could also look into refinancing it after its fixed up and pulling out some of your costs so you have nothing in the deal? Especially if you are sitting at 50% LTV. My two properties are sitting around 70% LTV. We just have our cash in our checking/savings accounts. I should look into other avenues that are less risky but still liquid with some sort of return but havent seen anything that caught my eye. The stock market is way too inflated at this point in my opinion. Where do you others put your liquid cash?

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by: @JD Martin

If you can carry 50% vacancies without investing personal funds, you are in pretty good shape. You're young enough that you have to decide how much RE you want to eventually own, because you have plenty of time to either leverage and get that growth now or go the slow and steady one-at-a-time route. There's advantages and disadvantages to each approach. In general, faster gains = greater risk. That's the trade-off for return. 

 Thanks JD. We would like to own a lot of real estate but are ok with waiting as well. Im hoping for a more favorable market for investors within the next 5 years. Im in the position to buy now but are just letting the numbers determine.

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by: @JD Martin

If you can carry 50% vacancies without investing personal funds, you are in pretty good shape. You're young enough that you have to decide how much RE you want to eventually own, because you have plenty of time to either leverage and get that growth now or go the slow and steady one-at-a-time route. There's advantages and disadvantages to each approach. In general, faster gains = greater risk. That's the trade-off for return. 

 Thanks JD. We would like to own a lot of real estate but are ok with waiting as well. Im hoping for a more favorable market for investors in the next 5 years. Im in the position to buy now but are just letting the numbers determine.

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Jeff Brower:

I am on the leverage side. Your return on equity goes down as your loans are paid off, so it makes sense to me to keep leverage on them and invest that 'equity' in higher returning assets aka more homes. If mortgage interest is tax deductible, it makes sense in my mind to keep paying it. At a certain point, I can see the scales tipping to paying off the loans, but if you are in your growth phase, leverage is the name of the game.

someone posted above on how you go through phases and no question debt is necessary to scale.

and its a balance of those things and personal decisions if you want to Dave Ramsey it or BP it..

for me though and having a front row seat to the 08 to 2011 melt down and the 89 to 93 CA melt down..

thinking your protected when you have 75 to 80% LTV loans is just kidding yourself.. you have no equity.. in those scenarios ... and exits can be painful if values drop even a little. and you are in need of exiting..

or your leveraged to the hilt and your cash flow drops by 20% most folks would be in trouble..    

 This is a good point as well. All our properties are multi family and if we are 50% vacant then all the debts are still covered. We also have multiple years of cash reserves saved if needed. We are trying not to get wrapped up into the hype of this market with all its appreciation. If only I had a crystal ball ;) 

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13

Thank you all. This is helpful. 

I am leaning towards building larger cash reserves and getting a few more properties under my belt and then working on the debt buy down with more cash flow. I agree the yields will be much greater however there is a nice piece of mind to properties paid off, more cash flow with less tenants. That will come however. 

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Edward B.:

@Paden Anderson,

Ever heard of a guy named @Jeff Brown? It sounds like you may like some of his strategies. He recommends aggressively paying properties off as part of his overall strategy. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I do like a lot of the other things he does, i.e. notes, EIUL, etc. Google bawldguy and you will find his stuff.

Thanks. I just subscribed to his work. 

Post: Snow balling VS 15 year notes on rentals

Paden AndersonPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • South Ogden, UT
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 13

@Edward B.

Thanks for your reply. I keep all my properties on a 30 year fixed but run the numbers on what it would take extra to pay off in 15 years and can pay that if desired. Then if things get tight I can revert to paying it at the 30 year schedule. BUT... I think this is not the best option. I am 27 years old and can be much more aggressive for now. I make good money with my job, live in our rentals for "free", and can save 12-15k a year on rental cash flow for more properties or investments. We are already sitting on a good chunk of cash but I struggle finding anything that meets my criteria in this market. I guess patience key.