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All Forum Posts by: Kyle Bigger

Kyle Bigger has started 15 posts and replied 27 times.

Post: How do you protect your business?

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32

Hey BP!

I am in the process of reevaluating the legal/tax side of things for my business and I wanted your input! Feel free to bring up any and all concerns you deal within your business and any ideas or suggestions you have when it comes to the tax and legal side of things.

When I first got into real estate I kind of skipped over a lot of the ground work of structuring my company for the best tax advantages and legal protections. Here are a few of the major things I am currently dealing with.

1) I am looking into getting an umbrella for myself personally, but I really don't know what type of umbrella policy to get and what things I need to specifically cover beyond the basic stuff included in most policies. If I just go down to my insurance company and ask for a policy, they'll give me a generic one, and I am not about to spends weeks trying to dissect the intricacies of that policy to get a grasp of what type of scenarios it may or may not cover, and alternatively having an attorney review it in detail could cost a great deal.  Ultimately, I don't just want to get an umbrella and just automatically have the peace of mind that I am covered because I purchased a policy.  I want to make sure I get the right policy - if you guys have any input on this matter that would be great. Perhaps even just talk about your policy, what you have in it and why! 

2) Also any input you guys have in how to effectively run an LLC, so as to minimize liability for the company and your personal self, would be great!

One example I picked up on from someone, in which my attorney agreed with, is to never sign anything that doesn't mention you're signed as a Manager/Member/Representatitive of the company. Apparently, you leave yourself open to people claiming they thought they were doing business with YOU and not the COMPANY, if there is nothing indicating that you're signing on behalf of the company. 

3) What type of licenses/permits are you guys using to operate your companies whether you're a landlord, residential re-modeler, wholesaler, builder, land developer, etc. I was advised a long time ago that in Oregon, you need to have a Developers or General Contractors License in order to flip more than 3 properties per year, if you're doing improvements to the properties. I am trying to get more information on potential permitting and licensing requirements in my state (Oregon), as well as other states we operate in and will operate in within the future.

4) I am considering restructuring so that I can file as an S-Corp. At this point I am not aware of the total saving I can retain by labeling the majority of the profits as dividends, and a fair/modest amount as income. For instance, if I hypothetically made $500,000 in a tax year, and only classified $50,000 as "Income" and $450,000 as "dividends", I am not aware what the self-employment percentage amount I would be avoiding having to pay on the dividends portion, and if that percentage is savings would be for the total $450,000 or a portion of it. If I were to avoid the self-employment tax of 15.3% for $450,000 that would amount to $68,850 dollars in tax savings? But I've also heard that you only save on a portion of the self employment tax, and it's only up to a certain dollar amount. If anyone could clarify this for me that would be great, although I do have an apt with my tax adviser in a week! Which do you prefer and why, LLC or S-Corp?

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

Kyle B

Post: I need a PI / Skip tracer

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32

Hey! I recently talked to an individual who has an ex-wife that owns a series of properties that are all vacant, vandalized and boarded up. According to him, "she's a "trust fund kid with more money than she knows what to do with" and so she has no interest in dealing with the various amounts of real estate she owns and would most likely be willing to sell to someone at a great price who's able to do a bulk purchase and overall easy convenient and quick transaction. Sounds like a great opportunity, right?! The problem is, nobody can track her down! I did a little research myself and found limited information that hasn't really gotten me anywhere. I've talked to family members and associates, with little success on gathering information.

So here's where I am at. I would like to hire someone to help me get in contact with her. Are there any companies / systems out there that you guys think would help in this matter?

I've tried out Spokeo.com and a few other sites thus far.

Thanks for any help fellow investors and real estate professionals! 2016 is going to be a great year for investing and I hope each and everyone of you has your best year yet!

Post: Seasoned investor wanting to walk away from it all

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Marcia Maynard:

@Kyle Bigger It is obvious you are a person with compassion and a conscious. I appreciate your being open and honest. This holiday season, take some time to watch the classic movie "It's a Wonderful Life", whether or not you've seen it before.  Reflect on how your presence and good will can make a difference. Keep ever mindful of the needs of other people. Provide a hand up when you see the opportunity.

We (my husband and I) bought a distressed 8-plex from investors (husband/wife) when we were less knowledgeable about real estate deals and values. We didn't pay a fair price (we overpaid) and the investors who sold us the property were less than honest and took advantage of our naivety. They owned 200+ residential rental units and several commercial properties. They lived in a 3 million dollar home with a view. The 8-plex was occupied by low-income and fixed income folk who were living paycheck to paycheck, or on social security income that came once a month. The investors did little to no maintenance, didn't visit the property, but sent a fruit basket to the tenants every Christmas, which amused the tenants. The tenants ate the fruit as they sat in their apartments with furnaces that needed repair and doors that didn't keep the draft out. When the tenants asked for repairs, they were often given the excuse "It's not in the budget." Instead of making a positive difference in the lives of these tenants, by providing better living conditions, the investors gave large sums of money to charities such as the symphony and local college. They were seen by many in our town as honorable and generous people, though they were neglectful of the basic needs of the people they could most readily serve. We saw first hand the contrast of their public facade and how they made their money. It's all about choice.

That's a great example! I'm big into giving back and so forth, but I don't want to just take from one individual to give to another, and I definitely wouldn't want to receive praise for such. This story of yours will stick with me for a while, I'm sure!

Post: Seasoned investor wanting to walk away from it all

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Ben Grant:

Awesome post. Thank you for the honesty, integrity, and compassion that you display. I've not had the good fortune to experience a lot of success in this business and it's my belief that I struggle with the same thoughts.

Maybe you could figure out a way to use the position you're in to accomplish both goals. The great risk seems to be in acquisition and surprises that happen along the way. What if you were able to "give back" to the homeowner after the deal was deemed a profit. Obviously you can't offer promises to distressed sellers but you already provide solutions. Dunno? Secret Santa? This the season. :)

Absolutely! I've done this on a few occasions, where I ended up profiting more than I thought I would. I remember doing a deal one time where I told the lady If I make anything over 15k, then I underestimated the value of your real estate and I'll pay you the difference when I resell it. She was very surprised when I randomly called her up a few months later to get her address so I could send her a big check! The joy things like that bring to Seller's can be very rewarding.  

Post: Seasoned investor wanting to walk away from it all

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32
@Jay Hinrichs:

Thanks for the input, and that's a really inspiring story regarding your friend!

I've got to say though, I know of some people in PDX who are doing deals with very large margins. Including outfits regularly doing very large wholesale fees (20-50k+)

I would really like to entertain the idea of getting into building. I've sold off some lots to builders and so forth here and there, however, I don't really know where to begin when it comes to getting the necessary skills and education. I imagine it's a pretty big learning curve? I would like to talk to you about it sometime, perhaps just over private messages?

Post: Seasoned investor wanting to walk away from it all

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32

Thanks for the input everyone! My email has been lighting up with notifications from BP these last few days due to the amount of responses I got! I read every single word of every single post right when they came in, or at my earliest opportunity to do so. I'm truly grateful for each and everyone of your thoughtful and thought provoking opinions on my dilemma, and the amount of responses along with the care put into each is just testament to how amazing BP truly is! 

A lot of these posts have presented great perspectives and so forth that I either hadn't considered, or I lost sight of.  I like a lot of the ideas mentioned, including but not limited to, profit sharing, giving them a detailed idea of what they can make via other routes and so forth. 

Ultimately, I've got to change some things, whether big or small. Even with being completely upfront, honest and taking care of the needs the sellers want, I still feel my work lacks some type of meaning. I'm going to immediately look to implement a few ideas that you guys have brought up and approach this business a little differently. Ultimately, I'll lose out on some deals and so forth, but I am too concerned about that. 

I'm going to take things one deal at a time. Not too long in the near future though, I see myself probably transitioning into other niches/fields of real estate investing. 

Post: Seasoned investor wanting to walk away from it all

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32

Hey BP! I have an interesting and important dilemma in real estate that I don't feel gets touched on enough. It's something I've been struggling with for years, despite the tremendous success I've had over the last few years. It's a pretty serious topic for me and has been weighing on me a lot lately. I am going to provide you a very short version of the struggle I've been dealing with in this business, but it's still going to be a pretty long post.

First about me and my background in this business. I'm very passionate about real estate. My family and friends would tell you that I am a total addict. I have been investing in real estate for approximately six years, and actively/full time for over half that time. I started out doing just a deal or two a year, and for the last few years I am at the point where I am doing multiple deals per month. My first priority in this business is to pick up rentals, but if the property doesn't work I'll next approach the deal with an end goal to fix and resell it. Lastly, I have a few employees whom, among other things, help to wholesale my excess deals to other investors. 

I primarily focus on SFR's, however I also invest in multi-unit properties, land, manufactured homes with land, multiple types of commercial properties, including offices and apartment complexes, etc. I feel that my methods to finding these deals are fairly common place, at least to the BP community. I have websites, direct mail campaigns and a network of agents, wholesalers and so forth. All in all, I spend several thousands every month on marketing to distressed sellers, and probably a few hundred dollars more on regularly taking out fellow real estate professionals for coffee and lunch.

Business is going well, however, I am just steadily growing more and more unhappy with it. The problem is, I've begun to seriously question my place in this business. When people ask me what I do for work, I give them an honest personal interpretation of what exactly it is that I do. I'm afraid now though, as my perspectives have changed, that it would be a much darker answer if someone were to ask me tomorrow. It's a perspective that I am not certain of, but still afraid that it may be true. 

It comes down to the sellers. The individuals I buy houses and other types of real estate from. I don't believe I am acting in their best interest. It used to take me no effort to rationalize that I was doing the sellers a serious service by taking their less than desirable real estate off their hands.

I would think to myself, 

"I am buying their UNWANTED property, and I am buying it at a FAIR price." 

or,

"It's not that I am truly buying at 60%-70% on the dollar, because there is no way retail buyers will pay the ARV price for a property in this condition! Investors are the only ones who pick properties up like this, so I'm paying pretty close to what it's worth now in it's current condition!"

The thing is though, I don't think these things are true anymore. In fact, I know they aren't. At least, not in the markets I invest in. I invest in markets all throughout Oregon and southern Washington, and I have connections with Investors, and agents who have buyers, that will pay significantly more than us 65-70% type investors and close equally as fast. What I am saying is, with almost every piece of real estate I purchase, I am a phone call away from putting the sellers in contact with someone who will pay $10,000-50,000+ more than what I pay for it. This really eats at me.

For example, I have a closing tomorrow for a property that needs $30,000 tops in repairs, and has an ARV of 275k. I am purchasing it for 135k. I feel like I could take this property and resell it for 180k+ as-is. It feels good to get great deals, and get that much closer to your financial/career goals when you do get them. But that difference of what others will pay for it vs what I will pay for it is weighing on my conscience.

Adding up all the transactions I do per year, this adds up to a sizable amount of cash that could've been in all these sellers hands. Cash that I now feel is dirty. How can I work my way to being a better person throughout my life while I actively build a net worth off of other peoples equity? Not only do I feel like they could've all got better deals, but I also feel like these are some of the people in the most need of help. There's such an opportunity to give financial blessing to some of these people in their distressed situations, but instead I seem to take their situation and make it a financial blessing for myself. 

It's not an issue of honesty. I've setup protocols, neat little employee handbooks and so forth to make sure my team approaches each transaction with the utmost transparency and honesty. 

This is the first time on BP I've went relatively in depth about my business, the success I am currently having, and the trials and doubts I am struggling with. I wish such a post could've been differently, perhaps another notch in the Success Stories forum. But it's not. I feel dirty. Like all the real estate I've acquired is dirty. Like I don't truly help sellers, and that I'm just here to take advantage of their situation.

I'm not a great writer, and I'm not the best at expressing myself either. I know that this post won't really express the depth of the struggle I am going through with this, and how much it weighs on my heart. But I think, you guys will still be able to get an idea of where I am coming from. Maybe some of you have even struggled with the same issue, or currently are? 

Help me out guys! I feel I am on the brink of wanting to walk away from this business.  Am I wrong in my thinking, and just beating myself up too much? Am I right,  and should I just make a few minor or major adjustments in my business model to cleanse my conscience and better serve those I mean to do business with? Should I take a step back? I really appreciate the BP community and find that a lot of the knowledge here is practically invaluable. I look forward to reading the posts from anyone who would be so kind as to weigh in on this issue of mine! 

Best

Post: What tools do you use to automate your Facebook page?

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32

These days it seems every other investor has a Facebook page for their business, and most of them are frequently and consistently posting content that they believe will appeal to potential business prospects, usually buyers or sellers. I am curious what types of tools/systems each of you are using to AUTOMATE the process of:

1) Gathering prospects to interact/market to (obtaining Likes)

2) Gathering content to post (How To's, Market Trends, Ebooks, etc)

3) Post this content on a consistent and frequent basis

Thanks in advance!

Post: How to locate Web Designers/Marketers

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32

Hey BP - I am looking to find a great web designer who has a lot of references, and past projects to show. I am also looking for a PPC campaign manager and SEO specialist whom have extensive experience in marketing for real estate companies/investors. These projects would be relatively large and ongoing.

My question is, how do I go about locating professionals for these jobs?

Thanks in advance!

Post: Wholesaling and flipping under the same entity

Kyle BiggerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 32

Hey BP, I've got a question for all of you! I am curious how you guys protect your assets by putting them in different entities.

I use my marketing to ultimately find my own deals for either fix and flipping, or holding as a rental. In the process though, I also end up wholesaling quite a few properties every month that don't fit my investment criteria.

So essentially I am doing three forms of investing in real estate. 

1. Wholesaling (If you can call this investing) 

2. Buy, fix & flips

3. Buy & holds

My question is - should I have each one of these functions as a separate business under different entities? I already do so for my rentals. However, I don't need a lot of capital to wholesale, just enough to cover operating/marketing expenses. So, keeping all of my funds under a company that wholesales seems very risky. Should I create a separate entity exclusively for flipping and keep my funds in there, since I use most of my capital for flipping anyhow? I would prefer to not have to do this for numerous reasons, but if it's the only way then I'll do what I go to do.

Thanks in advance!