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All Forum Posts by: Omar Ababneh

Omar Ababneh has started 5 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: St. Louis Property Management companies

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Nathan Murith:
Quote from @Valery Ulysse:
Quote from @Nathan Murith:

@Nick Scarfino happy to share who I work with. I’ll DM you.


 Hey Nathan can you DM your list of PM’s

I just sent a connection request with the info

 Hi Nathan, can you please send me recommended PM ? 

Post: Property management St Louis

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Hoc Vu:

I am giving Complete Realty Solutions a try. 


Hi Hoc, 

How is your experience going with Realty Solutions ? 

Post: 4 unit multi-family advise

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Alan Asriants:
Quote from @Omar Ababneh:
Quote from @Brian Kantor:

I am confused. You "own" 2 of the 8 units and your partner "owns" the other 6? Are they using a different PM than you are for your 2 units? If that's the case, is there an economy of scale in using the same PM as your partner?


 It's the same company managing the 2 properties but the net income per month get distributed 75% to partner and 25%. my partner closed the loan portion he should pay to maximize his cashflow so I'm handling the full loan now. 


 I am a little confused on this still. Your partner closed their part of the loan, but you still owe the 25% that is left over? If this is the case and your loan amount is only 25% of the original amount, I would refi that loan to drastically decrease your monthly payment. 
Yes rates are higher, but you wont be bleeding. Plus selling would require both of your consent. 

Talk to a lender and have them quote you and the refi of the remaining amount


 Thanks for your input, Alan. I did contact a loan officer and due to interest rate, the refinance is close and will only save $200. The loan is about 45% of the second property as 1st loan is closed. 

Post: 4 unit multi-family advise

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Chris Merchant:
Quote from @Omar Ababneh:
Quote from @Chris Merchant:

What is each unit bringing in for rent each month?  When are the current leases up?  What are average comps renting for in the immediate area?



What is each unit bringing in for rent each month? $850-925

When are the current leases up? This August. What are average comps renting for in the immediate area? $850-$1000


 $850-925

If you go by the 1% rule (only a rule of thumb not an exact set in stone rule) you need to bring in $937.50 per unit to cashflow or $3750.00 per property.  I am not saying that is the problem or only problem here but I would definitely raise the rents to at least $950/month in August if you think you can get that in rents.  That is still under the high end of the comps but puts you in a better position to cashflow on the properties.  Or simply talk to your PM, it is in their best interest to get you the maximum amount of rent they can, the more you make the more they make working on commission.  Ask them if they feel yo could get 950-1000 a month per unit.  
I am assuming the units are not all identical?

 Thanks Chris. I agree with you to focus on increasing rents again as I did this last August when tenants lease expired and raised it from $700 to $850. 

Post: 4 unit multi-family advise

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Brian Kantor:

I am confused. You "own" 2 of the 8 units and your partner "owns" the other 6? Are they using a different PM than you are for your 2 units? If that's the case, is there an economy of scale in using the same PM as your partner?


 It's the same company managing the 2 properties but the net income per month get distributed 75% to partner and 25%. my partner closed the loan portion he should pay to maximize his cashflow so I'm handling the full loan now. 

Post: 4 unit multi-family advise

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Justin Moy:

If they're each a 4 unit property it should be more common that tenants are taking care of all the utilities. 

What are your expenses per month per unit? How do they break down? 

STL has a lot of shady PMs so there could be opportunity there

Thanks for your input Justin. Yes, except water and sewer as it's not metered separately and RUBS is not common in STL. Expenses are loan, insurance, property tax, monthly maintenance which has increased since hired the PM company but I'm pushing to control this, mowing fees, trash, water, MSD, Ameren for common areas, and management fees of 8%. 

Post: 4 unit multi-family advise

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Andrew Freed:

@Omar Ababneh - So you have a negatively cash flowing property? Where are rents now vs. where they can be? If you're already close to market and still negatively cash flowing 500 a month, you should consider selling. Real estate is meant to provide passive income, not drain your excess cash each month. You will max out quickly if you had to feed the "alligator" properties each month.

The good news is if you purchased it in September 2021, you most likely have equity in the properties hence you might walk away with some money, which is better than feeding an investment 500 each month. If it doesn't cash flow and most likely won't in the future, give rid of the asset as soon as possible. 

Thanks for your input, Andrew. I could increase rents to $950 with additional renovation but it will take sometime for tenants to leave. I'm looking at this property as a long term investment but was looking for some ideas minimizing the monthly loss until interest rates lower to 5% to refinance. 

Post: 4 unit multi-family advise

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Chris Merchant:

What is each unit bringing in for rent each month?  When are the current leases up?  What are average comps renting for in the immediate area?



What is each unit bringing in for rent each month? $850-925

When are the current leases up? This August. What are average comps renting for in the immediate area? $850-$1000


 $850-925

Post: 4 unit multi-family advise

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6

Good day, 

My partner and I purchased (2) 4-units multi family properties in a good in St Louis MO (63123) back in Sep 2021. For around $375,000 each, I only own 2 of the 8 units and my partners closed his part of the loan so I'm carrying the loan now with a net of negative $500 a month if all units are rented. I'm out of state and have a property management company charging 8% but I don't have much options due to not  being in town. 

I'm working on increasing rent but it will not be significant as I already did after the purchase, thinking about refinancing but interest rates are high now and I had the loan with 4.25%, contacted a specialized company to see if the property tax can be decreased, working with insurance company to provide 5% discount and tried the RUBS option but it's not common in STL but would to get anyone input/ advise on this situation. 

Thanks in advance. 

Omar 

Post: Saint Louis MO Contractors

Omar AbabnehPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint louis, MO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Lynne Hart:

 Thanks Lynne, yes i'm still looking for a contractor and would appreciate it if you DM his contact information.