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All Forum Posts by: Glenna Wood

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Post: STR Beach Property in NC

Glenna WoodPosted
  • So MD
  • Posts 294
  • Votes 191

Everything all have said.... Plus here's my Chatty Cathy version: Key factors in a coastal property rental: 1) distance to beach, 2) age of property, 3) quality of PM if you get one, 4) interior beachy vibe and vacation amenities, and 5) increased maintenance costs since salt air and possibly "entitled" quests on vacation can be hard on a house.  

Totally agree with those who have pointed out to look hard at those numbers. Coastal NC is not a popular snowbird destination. I have/had Outer Banks SF rentals since 2005. Had 2, sold 1 because of poor ROI. Winter rentals are nonexistent and I'm across the street from the beach. Does the 70% occupancy include any owner use? Do these numbers come from the agent selling the duplex? Maybe Carolina Beach is an underdeveloped market? If that's the case, you may have found a gem at the right time but in 10 years your ROI may decrease due to competition. Many folks on my OBX Owners blog reported empty weeks in July for first time ever. I had to discount a July week for the first time in 27 yrs. I saw a couple of Wilmington area people on here. Pick their brains as local market knowledge is priceless and vital.

Do you have the operating expenses of your example property? People gloss over or under estimate the impact of salt water. Close to the beach means be prepared to replace the heat pump every 7-10 years, hinges on cabinets and doors will rust since guests want to "enjoy the salt air", and on and on. I wouldn't buy anything over 5 years old then plan to 1031 it in 5-8 yrs  before the roof, decks, septic drain field, etc age too much. Whatever you buy, replace all carpet with LVP and get a WiFi enabled lock.

Someone already mentioned wind and flood insurance. On OBX I pay $3900/yr for a 1008 sqft house. That's more than doubled since I bought it in 2005. Check the flood zone and FEMA claims history. Check property taxes. Coastal counties have little economic diversification and the millage rate reflects that tourism is IT.

On the plus side, tourism is IT so the unincorporated small coastal towns are landlord friendly and already filled with STRs. More importantly local residents are used to transient renters next door and likely their job supports tourism. Only the motels and PMs are maybe looking askance at a growing totally self managed STR population.

I've had out of state coastal STRs since 1992 before "STR" became a buzz word. If/when you look for a PM, I've had better service when they had fewer houses in their inventory. If it's a big PM with hundreds of houses, they are naturally going to pay more attention to their top tier houses (ie, oceanfront, 5+ BRs with pool and hot tub). Interview many as although they may use standard NC leases for guests, they operate uniquely. If you are managing your own bookings but want a PM for eyes on and emergency maintenance, negotiate down from 20%. A few OBX PMs (there are dozens) are now offering "a la carte" management services.

I had an 82 yr old RE agent in N FL tell me years ago that "whether I buy it, sell it or rent it" she IS going to make money and I MIGHT make money. She nailed it and was such a hoot!

OK  I know I sound like your Mom warning you about your first prom...  The upside is that water oriented properties should appreciate better than average. I have no real data to defend that other than my experience. Washing every dish, pan, fork a couple times a year is loads more fun while watching the waves roll in.  It's fun to decorate.  Your internet presence will make or break you  There are lots of great family memories to be made and you can get in the car and just go as your beach stuff is already in your locked owner's closet. 

If you don't plan to use it and solely want to make $$, I would say skip the coast, get an FHA assumable loan to buy an owner occupied quad and self manage 3 STR units in your major university, major medical services Triangle of NC backyard.

Enjoy the hunt and here's to your success!🍻

No need for two hops on the $$. Whatever you and your investor agree upon. Ultimately the $$ has to be in your closing agent's escrow account to be dispersed to the seller on the closing date. All parties should have reviewed and agreed on the numbers in the draft HUD statement before hand so you will have the exact amount needed. The funds need to be cleared in the escrow account before closing. Whoever is doing the closing can give you their specific timeline. Due to bogus cashier's checks my FL atty started requesting wires or cash only to close with parties they did not know. Just find out the timeline.

Good luck on your deal and deployment. Thanks for your service! Go Navy.

Something else you could do is go online to your clerk of the court web site. Drill into and scan recorded mortgages and promissory notes where one of the parties is not an obvious bank name.  Should give you a pretty good idea for the terms in a private GA note or mortgage.

If you are working with a friend, the terms can be whatever you two have a meeting of the minds on. Either of you can have it drafted. Decide if you and your lender are doing a secured or unsecured note before you ask an atty for their service. You are asking for either an unsecured promissory note or a secured mortgage note to be drafted for your state. Not a "contract".  I have no experience in GA and am just sharing personal experience in FL and MD 

The atty should be asking you about the terms like...

1) amortization? 30 years is traditional. Can be any. 

2) any balloon payment due?  How long does your investor want to keep their $$ tied up?

3) interest rate? Fixed or variable? If variable, when/how does it change?

4) payment date? Usually the 1st. When is it late and what is the penalty, if any? 

5) can the note be assumed?

6) what happens if you default?

7) how and where are payments to be submitted? 

8) does the lender require proof of insurance and taxes paid? How should that be provided?

9) the note should be done and signed at closing. Else your lender is giving $$ to the seller to buy property that you will own with no enforceable commitment from you. IMHO asking for trouble if everything isn't written.

All I can think at the moment. You could check for current mortgage rates. Most private lenders will want more interest than that.  What works for your lender? Each note I've done has different terms and is simply what works at that time for all parties involved. 

St Mary's? The sub base? I retired from SSP at the Yard. Civilian.

I will share my fellow investor, not RE professional, experience... I'm a little surprised that you as borrower are having to draft the note.  When I have offered a private loan to someone I have my attorney write the Note (my money, my rules) with the terms we agreed upon. It does not have to be secured but as the lender, I'm not going to risk my $$ w/o protecting my interest if you default. I would want my first position in the loan to be in the public records if you decide to sell the property. I would have no other "contract" with you the borrower other than the signed note.  

A secured note is not a complicated process. The mortgage is recorded in the local county office. If you sell or refinance or pay off, as the lender I would simply file a one page "satisfaction of mortgage" and we are done. There is no "reconveyance" at that point.

I'm sure you could find an on line source but there are state specific rules. I would persist in finding an attorney who will work with you. Across different states I've been charged $150-$500 to draft secured mortgage docs.  It is in everyone's interest to have a  loan properly documented.

Post: Consolidate all 401(k)

Glenna WoodPosted
  • So MD
  • Posts 294
  • Votes 191

One suggestion from a plain Jane fellow investor not a RE/$pro... Most SDIRA custodians are going to charge you per transaction to handle each incoming 401k account. Transfer them over into a non-self directed IRA first. Then do one transfer into a SDIRA. Am I correct that these would be transfers not rollovers since the $ moves from 401ks to IRA so the one rollover per year rule does not apply to the original 401ks moves? The final move IRA to SDIRA would be a rollover.

@Dave Rav Marsh is good. Appeals to birders, kayakers, wildlife watchers. Dig up another STR owner to get the scoop in local taxing or reporting for tranisent rentals. No HOA is good. Also check the flood records. Any FEMA claims ever? Does a lender require flood insurance? All reasons to be diligent. Flood maps help but are a statistical model. Low country Carolina has had lots of inland flooding last decade or so. 6'-8' sounds good but I95 has been closed thru SC from storms which you no doubt know. When events like that hit the national news it affects vacationer decisions on where to go. Also check the longer term appreciation in the specific neighborhood as a LTR or permanent home. Would you live there? What pulls people there to live or visit? I've made very solid returns on my coastal STRs not from monthly cash flow but 1031s to bigger and better... and closer to the water! 😎

PC has high PM fees and is a big condo market. West is Destin. Very well known but expensive. I think Pensacola is a good place to research. Good buys in AL too but the beaches aren't as nice and it's not FL. Suggest you look east to Mexico Beach (same county as PC) or next county east, Gulf county, St Joe Beach area. Not well known area the chamber of commerce calls it the Forgotten Coast. People who find it love it. I had 10 yr repeat renters. Property taxes are lower. Even nicer, less populated family focused beaches than PC. PMs in 15% range. Check the web for comps. Lots of damage there from Hurricane Michael this past fall. Many properties were wiped out so there is dearth of rentals there now. Consider buying a lot outside of a subdivision in walking or golf cart distance to the beach and put a modular home on it. I say modular because the builders are ultra busy there right now. A custom modular will be about $190/sq ft. It would be a solid year round rental and you would be starting out with a new Dade county building code home. H Michael wiped out my little 1979 house there. However the spec house I built last year 1/4 mile away had one fascia board blown off and the porch screens blown out. Building code does matter! Buyer beware on any coastal FL property built before Hurricane Andrew.  Also Tyndall AFB is next door for a high quality clientele long term rental market if you decide to switch.

Originally posted by @Manish Waj:

Hi, 1st time investor.

I am also interested in investing and have been looking at Panama City beach. Any advice on getting the best ROI. Basically didn't want to break the bank and stay less than 250k

I have been crunching the numbers and unfortunately with high HOA and restriction on lending, I am seeing a low cash on cash. Also PM fees are 21-25%.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, or if I should explore a different area that ppl have had good success. TIA

"Too far" is completely location dependant You aren't "lowering the rent" as a concession you simply will NOT get the same rent for an off water house vs direct access, water front or view home. I've had coastal STRs in FL to NC since 1992. Way before it was trendy. If you are marketing a "beach" place, distance to water is a HUGE factor. In the markets I'm familiar with rents will be priced by # of BLOCKS to water, not miles, with rents dropping 50% from oceanfront to first tier right across the street and down from there for similarly equipped houses. Having to drive to water puts you in the "all other" lowest rent bucket. You'll need to stand out in the "all other" bucket so find out what people really do on vacation in your area and set up your place to be a prime choice. Being off water means you won't spend as much on the house. But remember you are selling a vacation experience not a place to live. Also consider the salt factor. Coastal climates and salt water are brutal on house systems. I'm thrilled to get 7 years out of a 20 yr heat pump. Don't skimp on your repair funds and people will damage more than you think inside the house. Get rid of all carpet and put in LVP. People are on vacation so there will be coffee, wine, melting frozen pops, snuck in pets hitting the floors. Nothing worse than stained carpet and if your place isn't spotlessly clean, you get bad ratings. Sounds like you will do you own cleaning and inspections. The best way to go if you can. Check the flood situation carefully and don't skimp on insurance and be prepared for it to go up about 5-10%/yr. I've had better payout from wind damaged property (ie on the water) vs flood (FEMA payments did not fully compensate losses). And it takes months to recover so could be a long time with no income. Just lost a house to Hurricane Michael. It does happen. But the good news is that there are lots of PMs in coastal areas with internet listings. Super easy research with lots of pics for comps. The thrill of the hunt to pull all the factors together and find the right place for your situation. If you work with an agent, take their projections and reduce gross rent by 25% and up the maintenance costs by 15%.